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Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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The biggest issue is just infrastructure and security. We're still building up our system. Everything gets so much more complicated when your team is no longer all in the same building. We built up a really nice intranet with file servers, gigabit ethernet to all of our computers, encrypted backups. But now most of that stuff is useless because most of our team are not on the network! So now I have to write up a budg…

>IT support for a remote team is very time consuming. Very expensive.

In normal times a lot of the workforce of many large companies is traveling a lot anyway. For 2019 and a few years earlier, I was traveling about a third of the time and I also mostly use my own devices. So supporting employees not in the office using gear that isn't supplied and directly secured by the company isn't some new concept.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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post #116

The biggest issue is just infrastructure and security. We're still building up our system. Everything gets so much more complicated when your team is no longer all in the same building. We built up a really nice intranet with file servers, gigabit ethernet to all of our computers, encrypted backups. But now most of that stuff is useless because most of our team are not on the network! So now I have to write up a budg…

They could just VDI in to existing infra + VPN.

We don't have the bandwidth at the moment. I would if we did.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Just moved from CA to ID. I'd say that the experience has been great, but with some caveats that don't really apply to you. A lot of the celebration you'll see about remote work is going to come from those who couldn't afford space in places like SF & LA who are now thrilled that they can afford a house somewhere cheaper. I am personally included in this category, as houses in ID are much cheaper than CA. It's really…

One has to be comfortable with the social environment where one lives. ID, if you mean Idaho, is more idiosyncratic than other places and was an acquired taste not everybody developed. YMMV

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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post #151

The biggest issue is just infrastructure and security. We're still building up our system. Everything gets so much more complicated when your team is no longer all in the same building. We built up a really nice intranet with file servers, gigabit ethernet to all of our computers, encrypted backups. But now most of that stuff is useless because most of our team are not on the network! So now I have to write up a budg…

>IT support for a remote team is very time consuming. Very expensive. In normal times a lot of the workforce of many large companies is traveling a lot anyway. For 2019 and a few years earlier, I was traveling about a third of the time and I also mostly use my own devices. So supporting employees not in the office using gear that isn't supplied and directly secured by the company isn't some new concept.

No it's not new, it's just not worth it. Especially when the remote teams have no system admin or security skills. Better to just give them a preconfigured box with all the necessary software and policies. A buddy used to work at Booz Allen Hamilton and they gave him a company laptop with very limited permissions.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I've worked remotely in various forms, for about 15 years. My remote work experience ranges from State Employee (Management) to independent consultant with large clients, to working currently for a small company who contracts me out. I am currently contracted to a Fortune 500 company as a software engineer and business analyst and have been here for the past 7 years.

I guess not everyone is cut out for remote work, just like everyone is not cut out for open office spaces. I personally love working from home (or wherever) because it works well with my personality. I'm not into interrupting peoples workflows to gab on the regular. I generally get into a zone and once I'm there, interruptions pull me out of that zone and it takes me 30 minutes to an hour to get back into that zone again. Sometimes that becomes even more difficult if the interruptions happen in the afternoons.

I've also found that not a lot of big companies understand how to support employees that work remotely. Everything rises to the level of a meeting (interruption) instead of just posting to a Slack/Teams channel. This pandemic has been interesting in some ways because the people that DO go into the office and actually like that setup, have been forced to work from home. What makes this interesting is that they STILL don't use remote tools for collaborating and my meetings (interruptions) have actually increased because of it. I would ask your potential new employer, what they do to help support remote employees and see what their answers, if any, are.

You mentioned you have kids and are divorced. I cannot tell you how awesome it is to be able to take 5-10 minutes to help your kids through something or spend time with them during a workday. These kinds of little things add remarkable value to your quality of life.

Another thing that makes remote work even more awesome, is if they're flexible hours. In other words, you aren't tied to your home office during regular business hours. This minimizes the interruptions (IMs via Skype or Teams for instance) and allows you to work a schedule that fits your workflow. For instance, I start really early because that's when I do my best work and I taper off in the afternoons and sometimes pick back up in the evenings.

I am happy to answer any other questions that you might have.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I've been working remotely for 16 years now, with a brief (less than a year) foray back into in-office work.

Before shifting to remote work, I spent about seven years working three days in-office, 2 days home.

My experience of remote work is entirely positive, except when I'm working with a client or employer that doesn't really support it. If it's not supported, or only halfheartedly supported, then all sorts of issues and obstacles will magically appear. If it's fully supported by a competent, professional team, though, solutions abound.

I went from a full-time in-office career in Silicon Valley for ten years, to working from home part time for about 7 years, to fifteen years of full-time remote work. It works very well for me. I'm not sure it would have worked as well without the in-office work at the start. Discipline and the ability to manage myself effectively are important keys to making it work, and I definitely did not have those skills at the start of my career. I was also much clumsier in communicating with colleagues, and that kind of clumsiness can be fatal to a remote working relationship. So I don't know it for a fact, but I suspect that the advice others are giving--that it's good to start out in an office at first in order to learn the ropes--might be solid advice.

I live in Northwest Arkansas and usually work on the coasts. My metro area is among the 10 least expensive places to live in the United States. My current clients are in Palo Alto and Cambridge, Mass. Financially, our arrangements are good deals for both me and them.

From my perspective, remote work is an unqualified success. It costs a premium and some persuasive discussion to get me to come in to an office.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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>IT support for a remote team is very time consuming. Very expensive. In normal times a lot of the workforce of many large companies is traveling a lot anyway. For 2019 and a few years earlier, I was traveling about a third of the time and I also mostly use my own devices. So supporting employees not in the office using gear that isn't supplied and directly secured by the company isn't some new concept.

No it's not new, it's just not worth it. Especially when the remote teams have no system admin or security skills. Better to just give them a preconfigured box with all the necessary software and policies. A buddy used to work at Booz Allen Hamilton and they gave him a company laptop with very limited permissions.

That is one approach. Give them a locked down, with no root access, Windows or Linux box and a company Blackberry. It's not unreasonable for scenarios where the highest security is needed.

That said, my experience is that most technical people really dislike that sort of thing. Of course, it's your choice if that's your priority.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Except for moving temporarily for gigs at Google and Capital One, my wife and I have lived in the mountains of Central Arizona since 1998. Almost no tech culture in my small town, with occasional exceptions. It is OK, I have lots of non-tech friends locally, and when I work I am paid to have technical discussions.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you me? I also work in ML and am raising a child in a small seaside town. Your comments are very similar to my experience. I was told going remote and leaving the city was career suicide, but it's been quite the opposite. The amount of assumed travel (pre-covid) was a bummer and often happened at inconvenient times at multiple companies, but I still wouldn't trade it. I never talk about tech outside of work, whic…

new grad here. any city and seaside town recommendations?

Vaasa in Western Finland is quite nice.
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