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Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by lukan »

waste_monk wrote: post #119
ty6853 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is based on imputed not actual income, unlike taxes. Hence say someone getting taken hostage by terrorists will owe back support and be jailed upon their release [0]. The tax analogy would be the IRS thinks you should be better at stocks, maybe on the basis you had a few good years, then taxes you for that this year instead of your bad gains due to luck/depression/whatever. https://greensboro.com/ex-hostage-jailed…

Unfortunately they have to be pretty harsh about chasing up child support, as people spend fantastic amounts of time and effort trying to dodge it. Support has to use imputed income based on earning capacity, because people regularly quit their jobs (or get ones that pay significantly worse that their previous income) to avoid paying child support. I have a relative who worked in family law and I have no doubt there…

So you think it is allright to put someone literally in jail, after they were just released as hostages and had arguably some reason to miss payments?

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by waste_monk »

zmgsabst wrote: post #137
waste_monk wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately they have to be pretty harsh about chasing up child support, as people spend fantastic amounts of time and effort trying to dodge it. Support has to use imputed income based on earning capacity, because people regularly quit their jobs (or get ones that pay significantly worse that their previous income) to avoid paying child support. I have a relative who worked in family law and I have no doubt there…

Are those vindictive people sometimes the custodial parent, as well?

Oh, there are plenty of vindicative custodial parents, but I haven't heard of one reducing their own income as it wouldn't increase the child support, just hurt their own wallet.

It's more along the lines of trying to prevent the non-custodial parent from having visitation and that sort of thing.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by waste_monk »

lukan wrote: post #141
waste_monk wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately they have to be pretty harsh about chasing up child support, as people spend fantastic amounts of time and effort trying to dodge it. Support has to use imputed income based on earning capacity, because people regularly quit their jobs (or get ones that pay significantly worse that their previous income) to avoid paying child support. I have a relative who worked in family law and I have no doubt there…

So you think it is allright to put someone literally in jail, after they were just released as hostages and had arguably some reason to miss payments?

>and had arguably some reason to miss payments?

How was the court meant to know that? keeping in mind that article was from 1990 and it was a lot harder to share information.

It sounds like the court was sympathetic and he was freed as soon as practicable:

>Sherrill called a family member, who contacted the chief district judge, Sol Cherry. Cherry called the jail and ordered Sherrill's release. He was freed about 7:30 p.m.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by waste_monk »

1123581321 wrote: post #127
waste_monk wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately they have to be pretty harsh about chasing up child support, as people spend fantastic amounts of time and effort trying to dodge it. Support has to use imputed income based on earning capacity, because people regularly quit their jobs (or get ones that pay significantly worse that their previous income) to avoid paying child support. I have a relative who worked in family law and I have no doubt there…

That sounds like a plaintiff's perspective when there is no concern for the welfare of the other parent. From a broader view of family law, we should be trying to make it more fair and being watchful for opportunities to reform abuses. The public has an interest in the welfare of both parents and any children in a divorce. We want the children to have two healthy and stable parents, and we do not want to incur health…

>That sounds like a plaintiff's perspective when there is no concern for the welfare of the other parent.

It would be more accurate to say that the court prioritises the welfare of the child above that of the parents.

That is, the system (in theory) should enforce that the child recieves the same level of support and standard of living as it would if the parents had not separated.

Judges take a very dim view of parents trying to escape their support obligations, as if they were allowed to do so it ultimately only hurts the child.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by atoav »

john_moscow wrote: post #123
endofreach wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like the government is taking the money though... usually it goes to someone who is arguably deserving. So i feel "kicking in the teeth" seems inappropriate. I also fucked up because of taxes many times and just recently a big bad "surprise" hit me. But it's not like it was not my failure of responsibility.

No point in setting yourself on fire to keep others warm though.

If you added a person to the world you're responsible for them. Especially if you're not putting in the day to day work of raising a kid and someone else is.

Don't want a kid? Use contraceptives. But do not blame it on the government that you now are responsible for another person. Santed a kid but realized the person you have been with isn't for you? Well then it was probably too early to get a kid with them.

Amazing. Has US individualism become so extreme, that it can't even be expected from parents to stand in for their kids, till they are grown up? Yes, metaphorically good parents would set themselves on fire to warm their kids.

If you want to support poor parents the answer isn't "fuck their kids", the answer is "let the rest of us help them".

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by lukan »

waste_monk wrote: post #144
lukan wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think it is allright to put someone literally in jail, after they were just released as hostages and had arguably some reason to miss payments?

>and had arguably some reason to miss payments? How was the court meant to know that? keeping in mind that article was from 1990 and it was a lot harder to share information. It sounds like the court was sympathetic and he was freed as soon as practicable: >Sherrill called a family member, who contacted the chief district judge, Sol Cherry. Cherry called the jail and ordered Sherrill's release. He was freed about 7:3…

Well, he told them. And had evidence.

"freed as soon as practicable"

They demanded cash only. In the evening.

Practical in my opinion would have been, "yeah sure, as a just released hostage we can sort it all out tomorrow in your case"

But everbody followed their orders and acted as part of the machine.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Post by kelnos »

hluska wrote: post #92
soared wrote: post #11

Ignore 95% of comments here. Research your options for local support through the government and religion. Religion may be more helpful in your area, even if your beliefs don’t exactly align. There is housing, food, etc available to you but you’ll likely need a social worker for help find it. https://switchpointcrc.org/ is local to you with food, shelter, etc. More info from a gov source: https://sgcityutah.gov/busine…

I’ll hijack this a little with a question. Why do you think you’re qualified to tell OP to ignore 95% of the comments? That’s a lot of ego to bring to something so important…especially when you give the most superficial advice.

Not the person you're replying to, but I think most opinions here on what to do (including my own) won't bee that helpful. While there are some people who post on HN who have been where OP is now, there are not that many, and those of us here who are financially secure and have never been close to homelessness probably have no idea what we're talking about when it comes to finding stable housing after having lived in your car for a while.
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