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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by andrewstuart » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

crmd wrote: post #136

andrewstuart wrote: post #27

Message to cloud providers: List what you do you have available so we can choose. Do not force users to randomly guess and be refused until eventually finding something available.

I need big m4n instances with 100gbe for product demos, and spinning them up lately is like trying to get Taylor Swift tickets on Ticketmaster. We end up wasting money running them for days at a time instead of on demand because we’re afraid of losing them. It’s infuriating that AWS doesn’t have an API that returns a list of AZs with available inventory for a given instance type.

Why not run them elsewhere?

There’s lots of providers apart from AWS/Azure/GCP.

Or buy a machine and put it in your office.

Self hosting can often be cheaper and more available and probably faster than using a cloud.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by usgroup » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

Perhaps it’s a per customer limit to ration capacity? If so maybe you can legitimately work around it by creating multiple Azure billing accounts.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by RajT88 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

Get in touch with your CSAM. They will be able to get you assigned a capacity manager, if you don't already have one assigned.

It is the function of the capacity manager to help you plan ahead based on what the data center capacities look like going into the future.

Meet monthly with your capacity manager. Get representation across different technology interests - database, compute, storage, event hubs, etc. Don't ever skip these meetings.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by rickette » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:24 PM UTC

Reading these comments it looks like everyone runs into this all the time. As a counterpoint: never run into this on Azure, scaling up/down 20-30 vm's a day. Hope it stays that way...

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by usgroup » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

jenscow wrote: post #13

Maybe Microsoft had just got their AWS bill?

Well I thought that was funny :-)

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by andrewstuart » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

RajT88 wrote: post #143

Get in touch with your CSAM. They will be able to get you assigned a capacity manager, if you don't already have one assigned. It is the function of the capacity manager to help you plan ahead based on what the data center capacities look like going into the future. Meet monthly with your capacity manager. Get representation across different technology interests - database, compute, storage, event hubs, etc. Don't ev…

Wow.

It’s crazy that this could be valid advice, but it is.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by RajT88 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

andrewstuart wrote: post #27

Message to cloud providers: List what you do you have available so we can choose. Do not force users to randomly guess and be refused until eventually finding something available.

Imagine if they did this in realtime. There's already DDOS attacks happening which are abusing the cloud free trials at scale - this would give them another attack vector.

I can see why they wouldn't want to do this.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by masom » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:28 PM UTC

cheese123 wrote: post #37

xwowsersx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll reply to my own comment in response to a since-deleted reply that went something to the effect of "this is terrible advice for a young startup trying to get to product market for": I'm totally on board with the idea of being scrappy and taking shortcuts in order to get to PMF as soon as possible. However, it seems the proof is in the pudding here. If you can't service customers due to lack of compute resources,…

GDPR might be a problem here. But this brings us to an important point: this is not your infrastructure, but someone elses.

GDPR isn't really related to the infrastructure, and isn't a problem if you built your product knowing you'll need to conform. Shopify is GDPR compliant, for all merchants, and runs on Google Cloud in multiple regions.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by janober » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

usgroup wrote: post #142

Perhaps it’s a per customer limit to ration capacity? If so maybe you can legitimately work around it by creating multiple Azure billing accounts.

Could be possible. But as far as I know would two accounts in the same data center not work for us for technical reasons.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by Terretta » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

robertlagrant wrote: post #104

Terretta wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AWS .. Frankfurt is just another region Unlike GCP and Azure, all AWS regions are (were) partitioned by design. This "blast radius" is (was) fantastic for resilience, security, and data sovereignty. It is (was) incredibly easy to be compliant in AWS, not to mention the ruggedness benefits. AWS customers with more money than cloud engineers kept clamoring for cross-region capabilities ("Like GCP has!"), and in last…

> Unlike GCP and Azure, all AWS regions are (were) partitioned by design. This "blast radius" is (was) fantastic for resilience, security, and data sovereignty. It is (was) incredibly easy to be compliant in AWS, not to mention the ruggedness benefits. Could you elaborate on this a little? We use AWS, but are evaluating OCI for certain (very specific) cases, and I'll love to know what questions to ask for comparison…

You likely won't get anywhere asking Oracle questions, their sales is very good at (not) answering.

Here is how partitioned/isolated OCI is by design:

https://www.wiz.io/blog/attachme-oracle-cloud-vulnerability-...

While that's fixed, it speaks volumes to the architecture. Very little has changed since 2018: https://www.brightworkresearch.com/how-to-understand-the-pro...

As noted there, I'd argue OCI is more akin to Softlayer/Bluemix than to GCP, Azure, or AWS, but depending on your certain very specific cases OCI may still be appropriate.