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Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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The other issue with trying to power through the job whilst absolutely hating it, is that your performance suffers and you end up getting fired. The turnover rate in quant finance is extremely high and it's not just because people voluntarily quit.

Not to sound harsh - but its a trade off...You seem to want the money and the job satisfaction/community/work-life balance... Its incredibly hard to get it all. Pick the ones that are most important to you, and let the others sort themselves out. Sounds like you're only going to make another year or two at you're current job before you're totally fried. So perhaps start looking for new stuff now, and start socking aw…

bad form replying to myself, but this just occurred to me..

Given you sound fairly young, what about powering thru say 3 years with your partner to build a nest egg. Then both taking (perhaps lower paying) jobs that you enjoy, giving your nest egg time to grow - that way, you'd have the satisfaction of doing something you enjoy, and the option to retire whenever...

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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What you don't understand is that if you hate life, and perhaps if you have money and comforts that you know should help... but you still are miserable, it feels hopeless. The money traps you. It's so hard to imagine taking a huge pay cut. But that pay cut, and living life the way you want, is more important. Hating most of your hours each day until you're 45 or 50 and then retiring will leave you such a different an…

Why music degree instead of CS?

Music, both listening and performing, has been one of the few things in life that really fills me with joy and gives me the strongest (positive) emotions.

If I had gotten a music degree, I could have probably been a decent composer and a better instrumentalist; so I might have been able to make a living. Or at least I probably wouldn't have gotten enough early higher paying jobs that I trapped myself in that money cycle.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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Hey mate, I've been there. You're blaming a lot of general extraneous factors. That sort of generalized dreariness... might you just be depressed? I mean, the sort of non-"meaningless" is quite hard to come by. A few generations ago most everybody was farming or mining coal or something. Actually, probably most people are doing jobs like that outside of the bubble we live in thinking worldwide anyway. You really ought to delineate what you want in a house-- surely you can afford something in a nice neighborhood on the outskirts-- but then you'd be tied down and have to maintain your own house.

And, there are worst places than London, believe me. It's just too easy to fantasize about other lives-- the grass is always greener.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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>My parents, like most boomers, had a much better standard of living when they were my age. that is BS. 198x and even 199x were much worse economically than today. Your parents grinded through it to give what you have, in particular education. Of course, because it was given to you and you didn't have to work for it really, you don't value it. There have been no better time in human history than what is in store toda…

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Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#145
Life is too short to waste years in a job you dread.

Let me say that again.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO WASTE YEARS IN A JOB YOU DREAD.

You are selling yourself short, though. Sure, you might take a bit of a compensation haircut stepping away from your current role, but money isn't everything, and people retire early without spending their career making crazy money. It just takes more planning.

Your degree is a money-printing machine. You can find work that will be fulfilling and not awful and not underpaid. It won't be EASY but worthwhile things often aren't.

You're also in a world where remote work is 100% a thing people DO. This introduces the challenge of your partner, though -- under the surface of your post is a possible other problem. Does your partner love London? Does he love his work?

It's not uncommon for a sort of "oh shit is this it?" feeling to start happening in one's 30s. It doesn't mean you have to act on it, but you also shouldn't ignore it entirely.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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It seems you joined a field you thought you would enjoy, but that didn't work out, and you don't mention anything you would like to work on. Is there any job you think you'd like, or is pay the only motivator?

If pay is the only thing that makes a job worthwhile, then maybe you should stick with the high paying job and just retire as soon as you can.

Admittedly, you might not enjoy retirement either. But at least you can sleep in.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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I feel this post is really hard to understand. You are:

* A phd in quant finance in London

* You joined due to high comp

* You say getting a home would cost 10 times your salary

* You have a partner earning multiples of your salary (?!)

* You want to retire early

I guess I just feel like this story doesn't seem like the numbers make any sense? A quant finance phd should be able to afford a home. A quant finance phd with a partner earning multiples of them should easily be able to afford a home. Maybe not in cash, but certainly with a mortgage, even in this market. You say "an 'adequate' house in London would cost at least 10 times my salary", but that seems manageable with your partner's help?

It seems like your economic position is incredibly favorable to me, and that you wouldn't really experience any difference economically if you got a more pleasant job with lower income if your partner is going to be the breadwinner, in such a way that you can make life better for the both of you.

edit: The housing thing is really throwing me for a loop. Perhaps I have no sense of the London market, but I'm going to assume no person can be unsatisfied living a million dollar home, that a quant finance phd must earn at least $100k per year, and that a partner earning multiples of that must earn at least $300k per year. How do these numbers check out?

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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Just wanted to chime in and say that I'm feeling the same way. I'm 34 years old, and have a wife + kid. In my twenties, programming was exciting and cool. In my thirties I view myself as a powerless slave doing tasks out of a never ending backlog. Been at my job for 7 years and don't have the willpower to LeetCode. Even if I were to land a FANG I don't think I'd want the workload that comes with it. Fantasize about retirement on a daily basis. My dream is to have a cabin somewhere at the base of a mountain and to never touch a computer again.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#149
I'd offer an idea like "How about going back to college? Is that something your partner would be okay with?"

But I have the feeling that you are showing signs of depression. It removes all color from an otherwise colorful life. Get out of that situation as soon as possible, it is damaging your mental health.

As for early retirement, check out the leanfire subreddit. I think your view on retirement could use a different perspective.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#150

I feel this post is really hard to understand. You are: * A phd in quant finance in London * You joined due to high comp * You say getting a home would cost 10 times your salary * You have a partner earning multiples of your salary (?!) * You want to retire early I guess I just feel like this story doesn't seem like the numbers make any sense? A quant finance phd should be able to afford a home. A quant finance phd w…

Google people make 200k starting as Jr devs so I'm assuming 400k.

Esp with PhD.

Agreed not super clear what's going on.

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