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Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#131

"I need to find something with purpose,big money, and satisfaction." I think you need to be more realistic, sorry but you sound a bit like a child, everybody is dumb and doing useless things except you the little snow flake who comes to save the world and will be a billionaire if only he was recognized.

> Purpose, Big money, and Satisfaction Seems like the CAP theorem. Like Cloud Spanner, there is way to practically achieve it: startups. Choose something you believe in, the big money will come when you succeed. Please forgive if often answered: what's an acceptable duration for working at a string of startups? Two years? More/less? Also if there's a number of startups that you can work at before it is not possible t…

> startups [...] big money will come when you succeed.

If you succeed. Most startups don't (the last statistic I heard was 1 in 10 startups succeed). Also, you only get the money if you're the founder or cofounder; peons, err, employees don't get anywhere near their actual value in shares.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#132
> I need to find something with purpose,big money, and satisfaction.

Do you?

If you did, you'd be motivated about that. But you aren't.

The problem is not really finding something outside, but changing something in yourself. It sounds like you think motivation comes from the outside.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Purpose, Big money, and Satisfaction Seems like the CAP theorem. Like Cloud Spanner, there is way to practically achieve it: startups. Choose something you believe in, the big money will come when you succeed. Please forgive if often answered: what's an acceptable duration for working at a string of startups? Two years? More/less? Also if there's a number of startups that you can work at before it is not possible t…

> startups [...] big money will come when you succeed. If you succeed. Most startups don't (the last statistic I heard was 1 in 10 startups succeed). Also, you only get the money if you're the founder or cofounder; peons, err, employees don't get anywhere near their actual value in shares.

1 in 10 is a better than I guessed--1 in 100, hoping that I could choose the top 10% and execute with the top 10%. True that it's an 'if' and maybe not 'big', but as for motivation it's better to believe it's big and when.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#134
I find everything in life to be full of cycles; I have my down times where I'm not feeling life and struggling to achieve the things I want and here is how I get out of this:

Will power is like a muscle, if you use it on some small things it makes you able to be more motivated in other areas. So for example getting up early and tidying your flat/room; going to bed at the right time; drinking less, stopping smoking, even doing 10 press ups. I always find I can build on that.

As for work I would build something cool that you always wanted; something for you. There are so many awesome ideas for something that I need or want it's almost distracting to think about. If you want something intellectually challenging try playing with Tensor Flow or Learning Elixir.

Maybe take on a website build project and build it in Elixir or some other language. When you realise how motivating doing things for yourself is, you might want to do it full time...

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#135
I found a huge improvement in my life by changing how I thought about conversations. I'm in a position (and have been in the past) where I _could_ make large decisions by fiat. But I don't. I discuss them with stakeholders.

In those discussions, I _could_ tell everybody my opinion, and tell them to take it or leave it. That works about as well as it sounds like it does.

I have in the past tried to convince people of my argument, with evidence, rhetoric, emotional pleas, what have you. Those work to various extents, but not as good as I might want. I'm no rhetorician.

Recently, I had an epiphany. The way it came about largely mirrors the idea itself - I had a discussion _about_ discussions (or perhaps, debates). And with a colleague I discovered that my usual victory condition (winning someone over to my side of an argument) was the wrong victory condition. There's a backstory there, but I won't get into it.

What I discovered instead was that I should focus on making sure the most information and understanding was on the table, out in the open.

My victory condition changed from winning the argument, to making sure that I and everyone else involved knew all of the things possible to be known about it.

In the process, I typically find that my original opinion was flawed, the opposing opinion was flawed, and we overlooked lots of opportunities.

You might think that it's easy to get to this condition with brainstorming techniques or something of that nature. But It's not so simple - there are widely known shortcomings to simple brainstorming, and most of the workarounds involve systems to do exactly what I'm talking about on a larger group scale, without everybody knowing it.

What I've found is that I can foster that environment with my own conversation. And that people will reciprocate if its done well, with the viewpoint of the other person(s) in mind. Read "The Entrepreneurial Engineer" for more on that subject.

Why am I telling you this when you are asking what to do about finding purpose, money, satisfaction, and decision making power?

Because none of those things are given away. They are built up of actions you take that affect your world. And you need to definitely start with the smallest of actions. If your coworkers are "dumb" and doing "useless" things - it sounds like there are tremendous opportunities to either A) learn why they aren't dumb or useless (they are after all making "good money"). or B) change things to being less dumb and useless.

But I read another point in your post. Motivation.

Motivation is a tricky one. I probably know and have tried all the things any book or website would tell you about motivation and productivity, because i'm the least motivated or productive person you will ever meet (or at least, I used to feel that way).

I learned something else really important recently. Actually, I re-learned it, it was something I knew in High School, that got me through college, but the lesson kinda disappeared somehow, got sunk.

I get depressed so much more easily than I think I do.

I suffer from constant low grade depression. Perhaps Dysthymia is the right word? Anyway, depression isn't sadness (you can find many places telling you this on the web). Depression is that hollowed out non-feeling. Nothing really jabs the "go" button.

I did two things that dramatically affected my depression, and I will suggest them to you. You may have different composition, and could easily need something different. Talk to a professional (I always highly recommend therapy, and psychiatric if needed).

I stopped drinking alcohol completely (BIG effect) and I started taking 5htp, which is a mild anti-depressant and also non-prescription, so easy to get ahold of, and it steadies things out.

Anyway, I've noticed a huge improvement in my motivation and productivity right away. The old 4.0 engineering student returned, if you will.

So, perhaps really you are putting the cart before the horse here, and need to look inside rather than for external satisfaction of these higher-order needs? Worst case scenario, you will be better prepared to achieve your self-actualization. Which, I have to say, I am in NO position to guess at what it's nature might end up being.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads a little negative, but you're right about discipline.

it's supposed to be negative. it's shit talk on the internet.

Maybe elsewhere on the internet this is expected. From the HN guidelines:

Avoid gratuitous negativity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#139

Of course now everybody here in the comments is jumping at the line I need to find something with purpose,big money, and satisfaction. and telling you that you should STFU and go back to your job and learn to be content with what you have. Please be reminded that that's just people on the internet though. The thing is if you ask anything on the internet that sounds like "How can I be more successful / smarter / prett…

Seconded. There's nothing at all wrong with wanting to improve your situation, even if it's what others might consider "pretty good", if it's not making you happy and fulfilled.

And also, seconded on the goal comment. You (OP) might get value from some talk therapy specifically focused on what makes you happy and satisfied with your life. The results may surprise you, particularly if you've never done anything like that before.

Job #1: figure out what you want. Job #2: figure out how to get it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with loss of motivation?

#140

What kind of helpless self pity is this crap? "I wanted a leadership position at THEIR company..." (fixed that for you) It's not YOUR company, but THEIRS. Incorporate your own company (couple hundred bucks) and list yourself as "President" on your linkedin. Put together a bullshit website about your consulting services. Start acting like a leader in your own affairs. Mind YOUR OWN business. ----- Money solves almost…

Money is great for solving problems where the problem relies on needing money (as David Mamet put it, "Everybody needs money. That's why they call it money"). After a certain point, however, the problems you are left with are either ones that more money cannot solve, or have only been caused by having too much money in the first place.

(I actually agree with the rest of what you say. Creating your own business, even if it's just a consultancy which serves little purpose other than to generate more money for yourself than working for someone else's business would do, is probably more than enough to keep most people occupied for a good spell.)

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