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Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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I have felt something similar in the last few months, and have been feeling the repercussions since then. Everything around me in my life was wonderful, in fact it was the best it's ever been. Deeply in love, working at a highly paid highly skilled job, enjoying my free time and continuing to improve my living situation. However, I felt a sincere lack of motivation and my results had started to decline. Recently I ha…

I agree with you on #2: going to the gym and traveling to work on my hobby (travel for rock climbing) has helped me feel a lot better in the moment, but ultimately feels like I'm putting off what's actually bothering me. My diet is good already, but I feel like I should relax it a little bit (more social drinking, maybe a little more junkfood) as it will help me be less pre-planned and more free-flowing and social. I…

Just relax more, if you frequent places like HN, you can easily get a feeling of inadequacy, don't fret about it. You're in your mid 20's, lot of people her are in their 40's and 50's. As for the occasional anxiety when meeting people, just do your thing, become truly competent in the things you consider to be important....once you have this, the anxiety will disappear I suspect.

When you get older and things like family start to pull on your attention, you'll realize that if you really gave it your best shot, that's good enough, whether you were a famous smashing success or not. Just work towards being happy for yourself, not towards what you perceive the community expects you to achieve.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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Well, if you're feeling depressed, I can only tell you about something that helped me: Dr. Martin Seligman's book "Learned Optimism." I wrote a little about my perspective on it about a year ago: http://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic/blob/master/2009-05-0... I'm sorry that isn't a grand, unified answer to everything, but if it helps you even a little I would be delighted.

Added to my wishlist on Amazon, sounds great.

Seems similar to 'What to Say When You Talk to Yourself' which I just finished. Probably one of the best books on personal development I've read.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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Things I am doing to recover from a failed startup I was working on.

1. Do something impossible! I rode my bike to work 25 miles in the morning and 25 miles at night. This was something I thought was impossible, and I only got to do it a couple times a week but it gave me lots of time to think and work though my issues. Find your impossible task and do it.

2. Learn something new. When I teach myself something new it is a very euphoric experience and after I then want to do something with that new knowledge.

3. Lots have been said about gardening and yep it is all true do it now!

4. Exercise for 30 minutes first thing and your day will start out much better.

5. Eat local/healthy food. Good food makes you feel better.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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I've been pretty deep in depression before and am only a few years (2?) out of it.

First, what you're going through is, no matter how shitty it feels, a good thing. You're starting to notice that most of the things you thought were important were actually important to other people you listen to.

Here's a start (atop of whatever else you see that you like in the comments here): write a list of priorities, eyeball 10-15 of them. Then cross off all but 2-3. See if you'd be happy (not what makes other people, their, or your expectations happy, but you happy) doing those. If you're unsure. Make another list, and cross off another bunch, and see if you'd be happy with that list. See what bubbles up.

Iterative development for figuring out what's important to you.

Btw: you're not supposed to have a right or final answer for this. Only psychotics and morons do. Go after what you think is best now, and plan to change later. If something sucks, fuck it, try something else.

Take an experimental approach, expect to blow large amounts of time/money/energy on this -- it's the basis for how you live your life, it's important.

Don't forget to party.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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Entering adulthood is difficult because even though the challenges are (usually) much milder, the stakes are much higher. If you get a C on your final, it doesn't matter much. If you get passed over for a promotion, it's the first sign that you need to be looking for another job.

My experience is that the happiness range of college is 4-8, with a peak around 7, and that of adulthood is 2-9, with a peak around 4.5. The range is much wider and the peak of the curve is lower, but there's much more potential upside. In college, the star performers have as good a life as the average students. The "real world" has the potential to be really amazing, but for the median player, it's pretty shitty. The fact that even the most talented 25-year-olds live in fear of being in the latter category creates a lot of anxiety, and it can be overwhelming.

Some advice: Definitely see the therapist, assuming you can afford it, and make sure that you're taking care of basic needs (exercise, nutrition, sex).

You said: Or if I do know exactly where I want to live, I'm always terrified that I'll regret the move later.

Remember that you can always move back. No one's expecting you to buy a house. People who leave New York come back, and people who come to New York from Chicago, Minneapolis often go back. As scary as "starting over" socially is, it's a smaller cost than the upside of living in the right place for you. Besides, you probably only have 3 to 6 real friends in your city at this point, and those you'll keep regardless of your move. (New York may be a special case; it's easier and cheaper to live elsewhere and visit 2 weeks each year, which a lot of people do, than to live here, because of the massively overpriced housing).

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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I second (or third) the recommendations of seeing a psychologist and upping your level of physical activity. Try to find a psychologist who isn't a pill-pusher. I also recommend the books "Feeling Good" by David Burns and "The Highly Sensitive Person" by Elaine Aron. One thing that helps me figure out if I'm ok with where I am and what I have is imagining that I'll lose it tomorrow (not in a bad way). If I'm tired of where I live, I imagine I'm moving tomorrow, if I'm unsure about my job, I imagine it's my last day here. It helps me appreciate the good things about my situation. However, I'm definitely one of those people who doesn't appreciate what they have until it's gone.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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I see this thread draw many clever and dynamic people. I'm afraid I can't help in any way since many have already given clever, inspired, positive advice.

Anyway. I'm 28 and I have been struggling almost forever to find something captivating. In recent years, solving useless problems helped (http://www.caesum.com/game/index.php in case you'd like it) but oddly enough I don't manage to play this more than one week a year. Generally speaking, I try to get interested in some things but I soon feel indifferent to it. (I guess I'm just describing a depression symptom.) Anyway this doesn't make a living.

I've read people around here (including PG) writing they were poor employees and it reassured for some weeks since I really am a pitiful one (to say the least). But since then I came to realize that comparing myself to this kind of people was outrageously pretentious. I may not be stupid but I can no longer do anything. I have long liked to blame school and parents for this since it was not the same in my early childhood. But blaming does not help.

The most awful thing I sometimes come to think is exactly what people suggested to you: it's what adulthood is like, you are through some age crisis. If that's how life is, I should have hanged long ago. (But that's not good karma. etc. -- Nicely put.)

I guess, like others suggested, a key point is finding something valuable to do. Anything you feel rewarding. Especially if it may have measurable success, I would say. Helping others is good provided either these people do not overlook your efforts or you are confident enough to value your efforts by yourself. Actually, do anything you can achieve now with the energy you have in store. I can testify that the more you wait the less energy you have. (But this doesn't prevent me from still waiting.)

The best would be to find a field in which your efforts can add up. Founding a startup may be captivating and hence a therapy. But how could people like me (I wouldn't ) show the needed strength? My last effort to be on topic shamefully fails. Anyway, I took for granted that your problem comes from your job which is far from being clear.

Sorry for the English (or for telling nonsense (which is almost the same in my case)).

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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When I get into a funk, I travel. It always snaps me out of it. How much are you spending per month, in what country? Because it's actually cheaper, including airfare, to live for a couple months in somewhere inexpensive. You can live an extremely nice in Chiang Mai, Northern Thailand for between $150 and $500 per month. It's $5 a night for a crummy room, $10 for a pretty nice room, $1 per meal for decent local food,…

"long-term girlfriend (hopefully soon fiance)" Propose, then ask your finace to take a three-month leave of absence from her job so you both can volunteer in a developing nation. Use idealist.org or a similar website to find a location and organization that appeals to both of you. Then spend 3 months helping, learning, and "resetting". There are a few reasons why volunteering is like "travel++" 1. You can take time o…

"Seeing poverty up-close will annihilate any Westerner's malaise. It's suddenly very, very hard to get into a funk about your career when you're watching a family live on $2/day."

I wish I could upvote this comment more. Throughout my teenage years and early 20's, I had serious problems with depression and existential angst. Then I lived in China and witnessed firsthand the relative poverty that most of humanity lives in.

I realized how absolutely silly and trivial most of the problems we well-to-do Westerners think we have are. It changed my life - I am a much happier, calmer, and more stable person for it.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"long-term girlfriend (hopefully soon fiance)" Propose, then ask your finace to take a three-month leave of absence from her job so you both can volunteer in a developing nation. Use idealist.org or a similar website to find a location and organization that appeals to both of you. Then spend 3 months helping, learning, and "resetting". There are a few reasons why volunteering is like "travel++" 1. You can take time o…

"Propose, then ask your fiance..." Judging by the OP's question, and that he seems to be a bit "out of it" generally speaking, I don't think getting married at this point in time is the best idea, especially when he's so young. Marriage is the most important decision you'll make in your life, and speaking from the man's side of it, you should likely anticipate serious modifications to the formerly implicit agreements…

You're right, that was too flippant. I also hope people didn't stop reading at that point, as what I'm really advocating is the volunteerism.

If I had edit powers remaining, I would remove that line.

Re: Ask HN: Are you happy, well-rounded? (dealing w/ depression/lack of motivation)

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There are a lot of good suggestions here. Reading religion and philosophy definitely helps. A good way to get into that is to find a writer you like (can be anyone) then find out who their influences were. I've enjoyed reading Joseph Campbell and Alan Watts. Exercise is a great thing as well. It's surprising to me how extremely positive a force daily exercise is in my life. Writing, therapy... all really good things…

Can you suggest some good reading? Watts has a ton of stuff out there..

Watts is fun, but not very practical or informative. The anti-intellectual tendency of Zen makes it relatively difficult as field of self-study. All schools of Buddhism necessarily rely on teacher feedback, but the dependence in Zen is particularly acute.

The book I learned from is Wake Up To Your Life, by Ken McLeod. Mindfulness in Plain English is also excellent, and available for free online.

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