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Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

#121
I love working from home and the pandemic improved my life dramatically from that perspective (the world is adapting for people who like being at home).

I guess being alone makes it terrible, I can see that. I lost some interpersonal skills related to small talks, so I feel weirder than usual when meeting strangers. I can't envision how that scales when being entirely alone.

That being said, you might want to revise where you work. We have a "virtual office" policy where we usually hang out in zoom and "light talks" are not halted like we would normally do. That makes a huge difference in team bonding and relationships

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

#122

I absolutely love remote work and have a very hard time understanding why anyone would want to spend 14h a week commuting their laptop to a noisy cubicle, buy a shitty $18 lunch in a plastic container and get extra tired on their way home. I have multiple zoom meetings every day and feel much much closer to my coworkers than during office times. Also I don’t get interrupted all the time and am able to actually get st…

I'm a major introvert but I prefer working from the office.

My house is full of distractions. I have kids, so it can be a bit messy (though not too bad) and ever-changing.

My office, however, is clean and organized and ready to go the second I get there. With COVID, almost everyone else tends to work from home, so I get the office to myself or mostly to myself most days. I can sit and really focus on work with zero distractions. The commute is essentially free, since I have to drop my kids off anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

#124
TL:DR, I'm not a big advocate of WFH, but it's a biased opinion.

The bottom line: Perception is reality.

One thing I notice is there is usually a pre-WFH and post-WFH perception.

Firstly, there are two broad categories: employees who have an office, and those who don't.

Things are different when the job never had an office visit, and the gig was always 100% remote, but let's save this situation for last.

For the scenario where people are normally working at the office, when somebody first gets WFH they seem to have a bump in productivity, and I call that phenomena the "novelty phase". We can guess all the reasons, some of the easy things are:

* not having to commute, reclaiming commute time as productive work time.

* fewer distractions from [insert list of distractions at the office], increased focus due to isolation.

* wanting to appear more productive, as to not potentially lose the so-called "privilege".

* better amenities. In essence your home office is potentially way nicer than your employer's workspace. You might have a loud clicky mechanical keyboard nobody is going to complain about, or gigantic gaming monitor, or multiple monitors, better outside view from a window, or even having a window, or great tea/coffee, etc..

* working hours flexibility; you start or stop working according to your combined work & life schedule situation.

* pretty much anything you can compare with working at the office, you can rationalize ways things are better, you're in "rationalization & denial"... well save the denial part for later.

People are more productive during the honeymoon phase, but slowly over time this "productivity bump" diminishes.

* you lay on the sofa, watch TV, or read a book... time gets away from. You potentially start missing meetings.

* other people in the office are having impromptu face-2-face meetings, your sometimes not invited or ever aware... the shift to irrelevance creeps in slowly.

* due to a perceived lack of accountability, some people get lazy, become less productive, and worse... indifferent. They have no stake in the game, or personal connection to co-workers.

* become over worked, actually working more hours of the day, and become legitimately burnt-out.

* sicks days become work days, and vacation hours accumulate to the point people take PTO just to burn hours.

But things are different for people who never worked at an office, because there is no basis for comparison, so all of the above issues are more or less nuanced, or not as relevant.

* when was the last time you were jetted out to a face to face meeting, if ever?

* got coworkers on the other side of the planet? How do those 6am meetings feel, or 9pm meetings? How does it feel not having set hours?

* got your office pimped out? Nice, and who paid for all that, you or your employer? Is that room your work in, was that your personal sanctuary before, but now become a place you go for work? And, as such have you worked on any of the personal activities or hobbies that used to happen in that room? Does going into that room now cause anxiety? A bunch of people choose to work in their so-called "home office" but before that used to be where they played online games, or maybe did hobbies or crafts... everyone's different, but the one thing is the same. Doing work in that personal space ruins that personal space from a mental perspective, and it's insidious because most folks don't realize this until it's onset.

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

#125

It takes discipline. You have to love your work. And that, my friends, is why many people will not be able to remote work. All the stories you read in the comments here so far are for people who really love their jobs. You can feel it in every word that's lovingly typed. Families. Spouses. Nature. Inspiration. etc. But for many people who absolutely don't like their jobs (most people), remote work is not a panacea. W…

Anyone who dislikes their job enough to slack off at home will likewise find ways to slack off in an office. You think the stereotype of people wandering the hallways, bugging people over cube walls is anything other than the office equivalent of Netflix?

Sit in a conference room with some team members, and you guys can just chat all day. Take long lunches. Go really slow back and forth to the bathroom. Get snacks from the kitchen. If you are in a big office, just walk laps around every floor. And definitely take the longest path to any destination.

Or there are even ways to waste massive time while being "productive" - every time a question arises, be the guy to handle it - by walking to the desk of everyone involved, making yourself the middle-man of all communications. You can kill 3 hours getting to the bottom of a problem that would have taken 10 minutes with some emails. And get office kudos for "taking ownership of problems".

This idea that offices enforce discipline is woefully uncreative.

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

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post #117

"long hours in a house alone" != remote work Remote work is work you do remotely—i.e., outside of a traditional "butts in seats" company office where employees form an in-person collective during business hours. Obviously the pandemic has put a damper on the various possibilities available, but by way of example, you can work at (assuming all you need is a laptop + internet connection): a cowork space (either drop-in…

I wonder how many people think that this is good advice and at the same time - complain about the office being distracting - talk about the importance of good ergonomics while working - talk about how important deep work is to them and how they don't like being interrupted

- Offices are distracting because people there can interrupt you at any time because they're the people you work with. You don't have the buffer of email/chat/voicemail/etc. (and assuming you have healthy work habits, you rarely sense the urgency to immediately response to any of those).

- Good ergonomics are important when you're working in a single location for hours every day.

- Sometimes I find it _easier_ to slip into deep work when I'm not in my typical place of doing business. There I feel the weight of all the fires I might have to put out and other daily responsibilities. Off in some other locale, I can tune everything else out and it's just me and my objective.

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

#128
post #122

I absolutely love remote work and have a very hard time understanding why anyone would want to spend 14h a week commuting their laptop to a noisy cubicle, buy a shitty $18 lunch in a plastic container and get extra tired on their way home. I have multiple zoom meetings every day and feel much much closer to my coworkers than during office times. Also I don’t get interrupted all the time and am able to actually get st…

I'm a major introvert but I prefer working from the office. My house is full of distractions. I have kids, so it can be a bit messy (though not too bad) and ever-changing. My office, however, is clean and organized and ready to go the second I get there. With COVID, almost everyone else tends to work from home, so I get the office to myself or mostly to myself most days. I can sit and really focus on work with zero d…

Makes sense, I have full control over my environment at home.

And I’m a bit confused. You say you drop your kids off on your way to the office. Why not drop them off and drive back home where they are now not?

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

#129
I STRONGLY prefer my work to be as isolated as possible. I don't want work invading my real-life spaces - not in my living room, my study, my kitchen, or any other non-work related place I may go. Work is just work, it's the thing I do so I can afford to do the stuff I actually enjoy. Having the mental and physical separation of going to a totally different place to do work is something I like having, and you can't beat the bandwidth of an organic face-to-face conversation with no delay or audio problems.

I also couldn't care less about commuting, its 20 minutes either way and I actually enjoy having a chance to just chill out on the train and read. If your commute is too long then you're either living or working in the wrong spot.

Re: Ask HN: Who's sick of remote work?

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post #102

What's stopping you from leaving the house?

Besides the pandemic, too much work. "Startup life"! I wouldn't mind working really hard, if I had the reward of getting to know my coworkers as a bonus.

Maybe go somewhere else that has people but doesn't involve coworkers, or work? Nature is always a good bet.
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