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The software engineers at the top segment in the Netherland are not working full-time jobs, but are instead pulling €800 per day (or more) via long-term contracts. Assuming you're working 48 weeks per year, this amounts to €192k per year.
I remember when the salaries in India for a full-stack engg were in the range of $2000 / mo ($24K) and it was considered a "good" salary. We had to work on Saturdays and often Sundays. And I'm not talking of some local company, but the so-called tech leaders like Wipro. One time I was travelling with a french colleague and while I was given an economy class ticket my friend got a business class ticket on the same fli…
Let's say you are from the EU. Why wouldn't you work for a while in the US, accumulate wealth with low taxes and no social safety net (but good insurance, etc.), then when you don't want to work, move back to Europe and retire (or work much less) with the social safety net and your American wealth? ;)
Moreover, if you are not from the EU, but have an in-demand skillset, why wouldn't you make the money, and then get a gig in Europe for however long it takes to get PR (looks like it's only 4 years in Germany), to get the benefits? :)
I'm a software engineer that recently moved from California to Dublin, so here's my take on answering the questions (and not the dick measuring contest of US-vs-EU): * Making $1 in the US != making $1 in the EU: There are all sorts of things built into the society here that simply don't exist in the US (or Cali anyway). For example, in Cali I was absolutely required to own a car, which means paying registration and i…
> I had about $25k of student loans to pay off... EU wouldn't even have to think about that.
I went to UK university after 2012 meaning the price per year was £9000 so for 3 years that was £27000. Then I did a master degree and the loan cost of that was £10000 so here we have £37000 on education which is over $50000. Literally paying double than what you are paying and I'm on a lower salary than US so check that.
>He just paid $1M for a 3 bedroom house. What does $1M get you in the EU?
It gets you a 2 bed average flat in a bad area in London, assuming you can even qualify to get one
Fun historical fact: Apple, Google, Intel and others didn't like salaries growing so entered into illegal anti-poaching agreement. [0]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...
A lot of the Europeans in this thread will jump on things like health care or other social benefits without realizing that high paid workers in the US are well taken care of in this regard. The truth is the pay is higher in the US and is not particularly close. It's funny trying to see Europeans argue places like London, Zurich, or Amsterdam are "low cost" compared to US cities to try justify the difference
It all comes down to U.S. tech companies being much more successful, mainly because of the scale of the U.S. market. Any U.S. startup can immediately address a market of $21T (GDP) without any regulatory overhead or language considerations. This causes engineers to be insanely productive in terms of economic productivity. In comparison, Germany, the largest country in the EU, has a GDP of only $3.8T. It's much harder…
They could compete with each other more aggressively for EU talent, essentially extending the US market for s/w engineers to the EU, but the problem is a huge swathe of the best EU s/w engineers already move to the US chasing those x3 wages. We're somewhat better off here in the UK, we have a well developed s/w industry in games, defence, embedded systems and finance. The difference is maybe only 2x instead of 3x. On…
I'm a software engineer that recently moved from California to Dublin, so here's my take on answering the questions (and not the dick measuring contest of US-vs-EU): * Making $1 in the US != making $1 in the EU: There are all sorts of things built into the society here that simply don't exist in the US (or Cali anyway). For example, in Cali I was absolutely required to own a car, which means paying registration and i…
You must be having the definition of a laugh: > I had about $25k of student loans to pay off... EU wouldn't even have to think about that. I went to UK university after 2012 meaning the price per year was £9000 so for 3 years that was £27000. Then I did a master degree and the loan cost of that was £10000 so here we have £37000 on education which is over $50000. Literally paying double than what you are paying and I'…
Brexit aside, I think most people think of Western/Northern continental EU when talking about Europe than UK.
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You must be having the definition of a laugh: > I had about $25k of student loans to pay off... EU wouldn't even have to think about that. I went to UK university after 2012 meaning the price per year was £9000 so for 3 years that was £27000. Then I did a master degree and the loan cost of that was £10000 so here we have £37000 on education which is over $50000. Literally paying double than what you are paying and I'…
Continental EU (if you still consider UK European) university is often free. Costs pile up in associated requirements (e.g. housing, textbooks, whatever) but you don't have to take out student loans is the point. So GP's point stands. Brexit aside, I think most people think of Western/Northern continental EU when talking about Europe than UK.
It all comes down to U.S. tech companies being much more successful, mainly because of the scale of the U.S. market. Any U.S. startup can immediately address a market of $21T (GDP) without any regulatory overhead or language considerations. This causes engineers to be insanely productive in terms of economic productivity. In comparison, Germany, the largest country in the EU, has a GDP of only $3.8T. It's much harder…
Only that US companies with offices in other countries pay less than in US