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A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by chrismorgan »

Bender wrote: post #77
tredre3 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS allows any character you want, including underscores. Host names in URLs cannot contain underscores. Therefore any service that create subdomains for user would reject underscores, which is why they're considered de-facto reserved for special uses in DNS. I don't think the reserved nature is codified in any RFC.

Testing [1] Works in Firefox, Helium and Curl but I do not have Chrome or Safari to test with. [1] - https://_test.nochan.net/

This only works because it’s a wildcard certificate. Since 2019, TLS certificates must not be issued for names containing underscores https://cabforum.org/2018/11/12/ballot-sc012-sunset-of-under...>.

Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by robin_reala »

delfinom wrote: post #67
pixl97 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be a big company. Look for interesting sounding domain names that are owned but not being used by individuals. Create a product with the same name. Sue the person with the domain name and take it from them. Win, because you're big.

https://nissan.com/ Archive.org it to see little man beating big corporation

I was going to say that at least Nissan own z.com, but it seems like my info is out of date: they sold in in 2014 for $6.8M. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMO_Internet#Z.com

Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by hackernudes »

chrisrhoden wrote: post #58
1f60c wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to register a domain like acme.stream through Cloudflare Registrar and it asked me to affirm I had Acme Widgets Corp.'s permission [edit: I might be wrong about this part, since I'm in a totally different niche, but the pop-up freaked me out]. I went with a different domain.

This is a required TMCH assertion for certain TLDs.

TMCH = Trademark Clearinghouse

Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by Bender »

chrismorgan wrote: post #91
Bender wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Testing [1] Works in Firefox, Helium and Curl but I do not have Chrome or Safari to test with. [1] - https://_test.nochan.net/

This only works because it’s a wildcard certificate. Since 2019, TLS certificates must not be issued for names containing underscores https://cabforum.org/2018/11/12/ballot-sc012-sunset-of-under... >.

Interesting, however that goes back to my original question about platforms allowing users to create a sub-domain, as they almost always use a wildcard certificate for this purpose. [1]

I suppose the saving grace is that they can only create the _for-sale and not any of the attributes specific to the intent to sell and hopefully that is enough to prevent any shenanigans.

[1] - https://youstareintoconanssoul.ytmnd.com/

Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by Habgdnv »

jaccola wrote: post #84
Habgdnv wrote: post #78

I noticed few commenters mention something like a rule: If you say your domain is for sale, they will take it from you because..... And was wondering, few years back, twitter was sold to mr Elon. I will just say it like this: Did they lose all their trademarks and rights to all domains, if someone register twitter.cc or twitter.it or similar, because twitter is for sale and they did not need the trademark for busines…

The concern is if you own a domain that you don’t own the trademark for. Twitter owned both the domain and all trademarks so it’s a non issue. Basically in fairly limited circumstances you can have your domain taken off you if someone else holds a matching trademark. Saying you are selling it can go some way to demonstrating you are not holding it in good faith.

I had registered trademark, and when you register one they ask you what are you doing. I was selling clothes, shoes, fashion stuff. I wanted to get the domain with that name, and it was already taken by someone who sells industrial manufacturing machines. Heavy equipment. They also had registered trademark with the exact same name. The idea is that you as a customer won't be confused who is selling something when you enter a shop and see that name.

I now get what you're saying, but then this can be turned against everyday people. Imagine you have a domain that is your personal blog, vacation photos, stuff like that. No ads, nothing to sell there. Then you receive a message "We from Microsoft/Sony/IBM/Amazon are willing to give you 10Mil for this domain, because we have plans for it, if you won't use it for something bigger ofc" And then show your reply in court saying "He want to sell it". Even if you run a successful business, they can troll you and say "We offer 1bil - you and your family will not have to work for the rest of your life", and then say "His business is fake, he is selling the domain". I don't know if this is possible but if it is, then the whole system is wrong I guess.

Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by Beijinger »

comrade1234 wrote: post #7

Something I've wondered... if you publicly say that a domain is for sale and someone has a trademark for it would you automatically lose in arbitration? Around 1998 I registered a domain. Sony registered a trademark with the same name a few years after that. Someone on a Gmail account asked if he could buy it - I later found out he worked for Sony. I told him no - it's for a game I've been working on. I went on a vac…

Never be intimidated by a trademark. Especially, if your domain is older than the trademark. Even if it isn't, there are many trademark classes.

Re: A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS

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Post by rootsudo »

delfinom wrote: post #67
pixl97 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be a big company. Look for interesting sounding domain names that are owned but not being used by individuals. Create a product with the same name. Sue the person with the domain name and take it from them. Win, because you're big.

https://nissan.com/ Archive.org it to see little man beating big corporation

Wow, he passed away. I can’t believe it’s been a while too.
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