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I'm still not sure, there's a promo going on now, but generally Go gives $60 of API credit and right now it might be $120 with deepseek. But $20/month OpenAI subscription I believe…

Is it still cheaper than Luna if using an OpenAI subscription? My gut is no, but I have not done the math.

>They need to slow down and do a model release once a year and only do extremely minor iterations instead. There are a ton of use-cases where the models still struggle a lot and ma…

I have friends and family who use Gemini, but entirely because their Pixel phones came with a year of it for free. No other reason, and they will most likely never pay for it.

The subsidizing thing is repeated over and over without proof. Personally, I doubt they're actually subsidized.

Maybe, but Tibo said something on Twitter last week making it sound like it might not be.

Given how OpenAI got rid of their 5-hour limits and reset weekly limits so often, is Kimi really undercutting them on effective price?

Sure, but at those API rates it doesn't beat the subscription plans for OpenAI.

Literally no UI changes when I toggle between the two. It's 100% identical, one is not less technical than the other.

>Also, when you toggle btween ChatGPT Work and ChatGPT Codex, nothing changes. This is super confusing. This is the weirdest thing. It's completely unclear even if I was using the …

>They mean the same thing as GPT-5.6-Max, GPT-5.6-Plus, and GPT-5.6-Fast but require base knowledge for an analogy. But do they though? When do you use GPT-5.6-Max-Low vs. GPT-5.6-…

Ping ponging to ChatGPT/Codex for 5.6 launch to test that out... Hopefully its out today or soon.

There could be a whole host of reasons. It may be during launch that compute is re-allocated from training to inference so that all users can try Fable. Soon that compute will re-a…

Huh, super interesting. Thanks!

Did Anthropic have Opus 4.8 and Sonnet 5 switched in the Agentic Search chart at first?

That's yet to be determined. I think a lot of open-weight models are benchmaxxed and their usefulness for many tasks are not represented by those.

Fair to include A&G, but their marketing and training cost is about generating future growth. People say that the subscriptions are highly subsidized as if its fact -- it's certain…

The craftsman, who may otherwise be profitable, also has investment costs that cause them to show a loss for some time.

Day 2 the craftsman has not made up for the investment/loss of their equipment. Not a useful example.

OpenAI inference revenue exceeds its cost of inference by a good margin in 2025 ( https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/opena... )

Data from OpenAI shows their 2025 inference revenue exceeded their cost of inference by a good margin ( https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/opena... ). Saying th…

The API inference cost to customers is not the actual cost of providing inference, and the cost of providing API inference need not be the cost of providing subscriber inference.

The API inference cost to customers is not the actual cost of providing inference, and the cost of providing API inference need not be the cost of providing subscriber inference.

My comment is about your statement "serving these tokens without paying for training is already expensive"... One thing we do know from OpenAI's leaked financial document is that t…

Deepseek's models are open-weight and hosted all over the world, how would blocking deepseek's web sight do anything to stop its model's use?