Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
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Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#2Otherwise, a decent high-level overview.
Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#3The paper could also use an evaluation section - e.g. implementing a solution to a well known problem like the Dining Philosophers in both languages and comparing both the code and runtime characteristics.
Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#4Fibers implemented with bytecode instrumentation also have some (small) added overhead (which is why we'd like them to be built directly into the JVM), but this makes little difference in practice: HotSpot's compiler is so good that with any added real work, that overhead is becomes negligent, and the compilation quality means that overall performance exceeds anything that can be achieved by Erlang VMs.
Also, the report says: "the JVM has a single heap and sharing state between concurrent parties is done via locks that guarantee mutual exclusion to a specific memory area. This means that the burden of guaranteeing correct access to shared variables lies on the programmer, who must guard the critical sections by locks". This is grossly inaccurate. While it is true that the JVM has a shared heap, this means that it can allow programs to share mutable state among threads -- not that it necessarily does so. The JVM leaves the concurrency model up to the language implemented on top of it (just as the hardware and OS support a shared heap, but various languages may choose not to expose that as a visible abstraction to program code). E.g. Clojure only allows shared mutable state if it enforces transactional modifications. Erlang also allows this kind of shared state via ETS; the difference is that ETS must be programmed in C, whereas on the JVM you can write the shared data structure in a JVM language. This also means that on the JVM, objects stored in such a concurrent data structures are handled by the GC, whereas in Erlang (IIRC) ETS cause some issues with GC (EDIT: in fact, ETS data is not garbage collected at all).
I believe that the JVM is a strict superset of any Erlang VM. In particular, HotSpot (the OpenJDK's JVM) is so well implemented, that the main difference -- even when running programs that behave just like Erlang program -- is a huge boost in performance, and never needing to use C to achieve either good performance or some behavior that is unsupported by Erlang semantics.
Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
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#6The report mentions Quasar (I'm its main author) and simply says, "instrumentation has many challenges that add complexity to the program instead of removing it." -- without mentioning why. I believe this is false. Quasar removes just as much complexity as Erlang does (Erlang's enforcement of immutability is orthogonal; indeed, if you use Quasar with Clojure you get that, too), but it is true that the instrumentation…
There isn't any at all for ETS:
Note that there is no automatic garbage collection for
tables. Even if there are no references to a table from
any process, it will not automatically be destroyed
unless the owner process terminates. It can be destroyed
explicitly by using delete/1. The default owner is the
process that created the table. Table ownership can be
transferred at process termination by using the heir
option or explicitly by calling give_away/3.
Of course, you'll seldom be using ETS directly, but rather through Mnesia.Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#7The content is quite interesting, but this paper could use some serious editing. There are typos throughout, and the tone is overly colloquial for an academic context. The paper could also use an evaluation section - e.g. implementing a solution to a well known problem like the Dining Philosophers in both languages and comparing both the code and runtime characteristics.
Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#8This is a terrible paper. It barely made a point, and is riddled with distracting misspellings and grammatical errors.
Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#9It also reminded me how much I wish there was an actual specification for BEAM, finding out the details of the how the bytecodes work is an arduous task compared to the JVM where everything is explicitly stated. IMHO both VMs are excellent in their own right, the HotSpot JIT is incredible, but I still can't deny that I find the beam process model on concurrency more elegant than the JVM one, though in practice I've only toyed in erlang so I have no real-world grounds of comparison there. Does anyone by chance?
Re: Comparison of Erlang Runtime System and Java Virtual Machine [pdf]
#10The report mentions Quasar (I'm its main author) and simply says, "instrumentation has many challenges that add complexity to the program instead of removing it." -- without mentioning why. I believe this is false. Quasar removes just as much complexity as Erlang does (Erlang's enforcement of immutability is orthogonal; indeed, if you use Quasar with Clojure you get that, too), but it is true that the instrumentation…
I don't get how JVM is a strict superset of Erlang VM when it doesn't have pre-emption.
If BEAM set have preemptive scheduler as an element and JVM, IIRC, does not have such feature, then JVM is not a super set let alone a strict super set.