Climate science document hacked
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Climate science document hacked
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Re: Climate science document hacked
#2These people have acquired millions if not billions of taxpayers' money
Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates.
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#3These people have acquired millions if not billions of taxpayers' money Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates.
Agreed, what these people have currently taken is likely only in the millions, maybe tens-of-millions. However the UK government has pledged to essentially 'do whatever it takes' to combat global warming, which the governments 'own' (IE private company they paid) estimates state that combating global warming will require billions of pounds for the UK alone.
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#4These people have acquired millions if not billions of taxpayers' money Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates.
Directly it may only be in the millions, but think about how many research assistants that they've had, plus all of their computer equipment, plus the money it takes for their offices/labs, plus the conferences they go to. Billions might be off, but tens or hundreds of millions seems reasonable.
I also think the author is grouping in a lot of extra climate scientists in with this group, which isn't technically fair but I personally don't think it is so unreasonable to think that this is a somewhat common practice in any collegiate research (let alone climate research). You can't get grant money if you don't show results. I think the one area where you'd have less of this influence is academic medical research - because double blind studies is a standard practice in that field.
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#5It's kind of amusing to see these guys froth at the mouth at the prospect of scouring through millions of lines of text to find a couple of scientists with less than absolutely pure motivations and research methods. When the witch-hunt succeeds, it of course invalidates everything we leftist propagandists try to convince the people that we know!!
It's exactly parallel to creationists taking some instance of one scientist mistaking some fossil early in the century and milking that for decades to disprove evolution.
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#6These people have acquired millions if not billions of taxpayers' money Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates.
Directly it may only be in the millions, but think about how many research assistants that they've had, plus all of their computer equipment, plus the money it takes for their offices/labs, plus the conferences they go to. Billions might be off, but tens or hundreds of millions seems reasonable. I also think the author is grouping in a lot of extra climate scientists in with this group, which isn't technically fair b…
You can hardly accuse people of the theft of millions or billions if what they've done with it is buy research equipment and fund conferences.
They've appropriated it for their own ends, sure. But that's what academia everywhere does without having to give much of a justification.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Directly it may only be in the millions, but think about how many research assistants that they've had, plus all of their computer equipment, plus the money it takes for their offices/labs, plus the conferences they go to. Billions might be off, but tens or hundreds of millions seems reasonable. I also think the author is grouping in a lot of extra climate scientists in with this group, which isn't technically fair b…
You can hardly accuse people of the theft of millions or billions if what they've done with it is buy research equipment and fund conferences. They've appropriated it for their own ends, sure. But that's what academia everywhere does without having to give much of a justification.
If you lie/commit fraud to receive something it's theft. If they data was honestly misinterpreted then of course it's not, it's just a mistake. Also, this has nothing to do with current case, I haven't looked at it so I don't know what they did or did not do.
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#8Perhaps a better link here:
http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2009/11/20/hackers-steal-in...
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#9These people have acquired millions if not billions of taxpayers' money Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates.
"Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates."
It will be billions if the new cap-and-trade bill gets pushed through congress. I might be more inclined to believe that global warming is man-made if:
1) There weren't so many companies and governments trying to enforce carbon credits, which means more money out of my pockets. 2) It didn't seem like a religion, where science goes out the door and man-made global warming skeptics weren't ignored and demonized.
Also, why the change to global "climate change"? I thought we were warming?
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#10These people have acquired millions if not billions of taxpayers' money Millions I can imagine. That's several peoples salaries over several years. But billions? Surely he shouldn't be making such an extreme claim without detailing how he thinks that value is broken down. It seems obviously nonsense just by rough order of magnitude estimates.
Does he mean climate scientists in general or Hadley Climate Research Unit specifically? Or some mix?
From http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220:
"Indeed, the success of climate alarmism can be counted in the increased federal spending on climate research from a few hundred million dollars pre-1990 to $1.7 billion today"
Billions of taxpayers money is no exaggeration for the general case.