Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
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Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#2Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them?
Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the presses! China is going to have a nuke!
That said, I think this is a good outcome for China. It will just force them to build out their own chips (okay, on top of ARM, MIPS, OpenPOWER or even RISC-V - but why not?!). More competition for Intel is a good thing.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#3Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them? Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the pre…
I agree, we should be pushing for more dominant companies outside of the US, given how abhorrently hostile they are to "foreigners".
Citizenship of the internet does not entitle you to the same rights as a US citizen, and we should stop acting like the US government gives a solitary fuck about anybody who wasn't born in the US, and protesting with our wallets doesn't work so well when there is no usable alternative.
so yes, I applaud the idea of another country developing comparable silicon to Intel, and I applaud the idea of each country having it's own webmail provider.
and every time the US government does something which treads on those who are feeding it money, it makes me a little happy that one day they'll annoy everyone enough to not put up with it.. even if the services are better.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#4Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them? Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the pre…
They already have a mips chip programme aimed at supercomputers, although they are not as performant as xeon.[1]
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#5Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them? Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the pre…
Why is the parent being downvoted? This post doesn't come across to me as off-topic or offensive in any way.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#6Is the US slowly bowing out of the international tech scene?
China is still going to get their processors from somewhere, the difference is if they don't get them from US companies then no money gets added to the US economy when they do buy their chips.
This type of government interference doesn't hurt Chinese businesses at all, but could damage or destroy US-based businesses that may depend on foreign customers to stay afloat. This only serves to hurt US business and limit the amount of money being added to the US economy by Chinese consumers. It feels like a spiteful, self-destructive move to me.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#7Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them? Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the pre…
Why is the parent being downvoted? This post doesn't come across to me as off-topic or offensive in any way.
Yeah I was thinking much the same. I really do believe that we should just remove the downvote button entirely, too many people abusing it for the wrong reasons. An entirely upvote-oriented site would work reasonably well. You could still flag offensive comments if need be.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#8This seems insane, but appears to be true. Here's an article with a little more supporting information:
http://www.hpcwire.com/2015/04/08/chinese-supercomputing-org...
While I'm excited that Intel may experience greater competition (resulting in lower profits and faster development) I wouldn't have expected this to be the mechanism.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#9Can we get a title change? It's misleading.
> ... Uncle Sam has put this supercomputer centre, together with National University of Defense Technology in Changsha, the system’s creators, and Tianjin centre, among others, on so a so-called “Denial List”, which prevents any high technology from the USA to be sold to these sites.
If I understand correctly Intel can't sell them any tech nor can anyone else in the US.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#10Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them? Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the pre…
>So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company?
sometimes CBP/FBI/etc. happen to do their job :)
http://www.fbi.gov/sanfrancisco/press-releases/2015/san-fran...