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Why Is My Smart Home So Dumb?

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I think a big part of the problem is that integration is hard, and that the companies more or less resist it (I guess because they think keeping people in their garden is a good strategy).

It's also easy to oversell (to yourself) the value of a room having a movie mode. Most smart home features are 'nice to have', not worth a lot of messing around and cash.

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I have a similar problem with Chromecast and Youtube. My friends literally cannot understand why I would rather use the YouTube client built into the TV and control it with the TV remote, rather than cast to chromecast and control with my phone. Controlling the TV with my phone is cumbersome. It takes time to unlock it,to find the app, to send the command and have chromecast react. What if someone rings and I want to pause the video before answering the call? Doable,but more complex than it needs to be. What if I leave the room but someone else wants to pause, skip or whatever, but their phone is not connected to my chromecast? In comparison, TV remote is always in front of my TV. Using it is dead simple,doesn't require pairing,and it's instantaneous. It doesn't leave the room when I go to the kitchen, and I can use it while I am on my phone. I feel like controlling lights with your phone is a similar gimmick. It doesn't make it easier or faster - it's just gimmicky, that's all.

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Having each light bulb intelligent seems like overkill, I can see a per circuit setup where you replace the light switch. First off its not going to go bad like a bulb which will be replaced eventually; even LEDs which still die too soon. Really, who came up with this light bulb idea...its just daft.

Security motion detectors can be used to double effect here as well, you would naturally have them facing doors so they could activate wireless or through signals across existing wires. All sorts of options.

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I think a big part of the problem is that integration is hard, and that the companies more or less resist it (I guess because they think keeping people in their garden is a good strategy). It's also easy to oversell (to yourself) the value of a room having a movie mode. Most smart home features are 'nice to have', not worth a lot of messing around and cash.

My new home came with "smart features", like heaters controlled by a smart central hub with remote sensors, remote light dimming etc.

Took more than 3 months to have all the annoying gadgets replaced by dependable, manual solutions.

For me this stuff is not even "nice to have". It's more like "dear god, why would I want an extra layer of complexity?". The fewer moving pieces, the better.

But then again, I'm a developer, so dependable simplicity is my modus operandi. Different people seek different things.

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I think a big part of the problem is that integration is hard, and that the companies more or less resist it (I guess because they think keeping people in their garden is a good strategy). It's also easy to oversell (to yourself) the value of a room having a movie mode. Most smart home features are 'nice to have', not worth a lot of messing around and cash.

> It's also easy to oversell (to yourself) the value of a room having a movie mode. Most smart home features are 'nice to have', not worth a lot of messing around and cash.

My girlfriend used to occasionally watch a show about house-buying (House Hunters). In general the show wasn't terribly interesting, but the real estate agents featured sometimes had some interesting tips.

One of those tips was to carefully consider not just how you will use a feature of a house (like a pool, or guest bedroom), but how often you will use it. Apparently people spring for expensive extras like pools and outdoor living spaces because they imagine how great it will be to have family and friends over for picnics, etc. But then they do it once, and never again because it is a huge inconvenience. Same goes for "mother-in-law suites" and spare bedrooms. People tell themselves it will be wonderful to have family stay with them, but the family members only visit once a year (if that), so a hotel is actually more economical (or just have someone sleep on the couch).

I tend to think of "smart house" features in this way. Every once in awhile I would appreciate having my living space adapt to my needs or respond to remote commands, but 99.99% of the time, it just doesn't matter. The light switch is right next to the door, I can stand up to close the shades, and thermostats have been programmable for decades now.

Eventually we'll probably come up with something that works even better (just like the programmable thermostats were a strict improvement upon their predecessors). But things like converting the light switch to an "app" or controlling the AC with a rudimentary geo-fence aren't it.

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post #5

I think a big part of the problem is that integration is hard, and that the companies more or less resist it (I guess because they think keeping people in their garden is a good strategy). It's also easy to oversell (to yourself) the value of a room having a movie mode. Most smart home features are 'nice to have', not worth a lot of messing around and cash.

My new home came with "smart features", like heaters controlled by a smart central hub with remote sensors, remote light dimming etc. Took more than 3 months to have all the annoying gadgets replaced by dependable, manual solutions. For me this stuff is not even "nice to have". It's more like "dear god, why would I want an extra layer of complexity?". The fewer moving pieces, the better. But then again, I'm a develop…

Sure, the complexity and fragility aren't nice to have, that wasn't what I meant. I meant that something like a movie mode isn't worth much (it's merely nice to have), so it better not cost a lot or be fiddly.

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post #4

Having each light bulb intelligent seems like overkill, I can see a per circuit setup where you replace the light switch. First off its not going to go bad like a bulb which will be replaced eventually; even LEDs which still die too soon. Really, who came up with this light bulb idea...its just daft. Security motion detectors can be used to double effect here as well, you would naturally have them facing doors so the…

At the very least they could have separated the intelligence and the bulb so the bulb could be replaced independently. But yes the intelligence should really go in the circuit.

Re: Why Is My Smart Home So Dumb?

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There are house-integrated things that are cool, but they rarely require integration. CO2 and humidity-controlled ventilation is really nice, as is whole-house sound systems. But why should they be connected to each other?

Maybe if you used some machine learning algorithms and made the house actually intelligent, so it could anticipate what you wanted. Other than that I don't really see the use.

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