Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
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Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
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Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#2Hi all!
We cut a 1.0 release of the Mozilla Stumbler finally.
Have at it. File the bugs. Complain about battery life.
Help us make this thing not suck and build out a proper open location service.
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#3Hi all! We cut a 1.0 release of the Mozilla Stumbler finally. Have at it. File the bugs. Complain about battery life. Help us make this thing not suck and build out a proper open location service.
Any plans to gamify/add user incentives for "Stumbling?"
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#4Could someone explain the privacy implications of mapping Wifi networks to GPS co-ordinates. Is it an opt-out thing?
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#5Hi all! We cut a 1.0 release of the Mozilla Stumbler finally. Have at it. File the bugs. Complain about battery life. Help us make this thing not suck and build out a proper open location service.
Any plans to gamify/add user incentives for "Stumbling?"
This would be an interesting addition. I realized that Google is showing off Ingress as a game, but most technical users know it's about data-mining for maps and other location based products. Mozilla is openly showing this off as something that is about gathering data.
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#6Hi all! We cut a 1.0 release of the Mozilla Stumbler finally. Have at it. File the bugs. Complain about battery life. Help us make this thing not suck and build out a proper open location service.
Congratulations; I hope this gives us a safe, effective, open location service.
The privacy policy[1] could be clarified for less technical readers, and even for others. I infer that collected data is anonymous because you write,
1) We receive publicly observable data about WiFi access points and cell towers around you, your estimated latitude and longitude, and the date -- Not associated with anything else, that may be anonymous data -- though you could guess my home network or home location by the most common/strongest wifi signals. If you track data by submitter, you also would have a good idea of their travels.
2) we may receive certain temporary data such as your IP address. This data is deleted after being used as follows ... -- You seem to be implying that you do receive non-anonymous data, and delete it after innocuous uses.
3) You can send us data anonymously or under a nickname -- Which implies anonymity is possible.
If what I infer is correct, why not restate it directly and unequivocally with something like the following:
Unless you choose otherwise, the data you send will be anonymous and not associated with you in any way. We will not record who you are or what phone sent the data. We do receive some non-anonymous data, but we delete it within X hours/days after using it as follows ...
And add more detail after that.
[1] https://location.services.mozilla.com/privacy
EDIT: Clarify a bit, and a correction to #1
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#7Could someone explain the privacy implications of mapping Wifi networks to GPS co-ordinates. Is it an opt-out thing?
See my post below for some answers; I was writing as you posted yours ...
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#8Could someone explain the privacy implications of mapping Wifi networks to GPS co-ordinates. Is it an opt-out thing?
See my post below for some answers; I was writing as you posted yours ...
Thanks. As a follow-up, there are existing services that already have this database. So why build another one? Is it because the existing ones aren't open source?
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any plans to gamify/add user incentives for "Stumbling?"
This would be an interesting addition. I realized that Google is showing off Ingress as a game, but most technical users know it's about data-mining for maps and other location based products. Mozilla is openly showing this off as something that is about gathering data.
We have leaderboards showing the top stumblers overall and for the last seven days. We have lots of gamification ideas inspired by Ingress or the Nintendo DS game "Treasure World", but nothing in the works yet.
https://location.services.mozilla.com/leaders
Re: Mozilla Stumbler 1.0
#10Could someone explain the privacy implications of mapping Wifi networks to GPS co-ordinates. Is it an opt-out thing?
A stumbler user's identity or location could be revealed by tracing routes from published GPS data or maps. In areas without much stumbler data coverage, you can see clear routes along highways and some residential streets.
Owners of Wi-Fi access points, including mobile phones with sharing Wi-Fi, may not want their unique BSSID/MAC address and location published. This is not exactly comparable to the Google Wi-Fi case in Germany. In addition to recording BSSID/MAC addresses, Google was (inadvertently?) logging Wi-Fi payload data that included cleartext user data.
btw, here's a zoomable map of the Mozilla Location Service's data coverage. Please help fill in the blanks! :)