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Governor Snyder signs a law to ban Tesla direct sales in Michigan

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Re: Governor Snyder signs a law to ban Tesla direct sales in Michigan

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I believe that this law is in direct violation of the commerce clause[1]. The commerce clause was designed to prevent tarrifs from being placed on products from one state being sold in another state. They wanted to prevent inter-state trade wars. Being forced to go thru a dealer network that (theoretically) adds no value while extracting a cut of sales is a form of a tarrif (or at least, I think it is arguably one).

Therefore, I think it might be time for Tesla to take this up as a federal matter.

I believe Tesla's constitutional rights are being violated in the states that do not allow them to operate their own stores.[2]

[1] "Congress shall have the power to regulate commerce ... among the several states ..." At the time the constitution was written, the definition of regulate was something like "to keep free of obstruction, to allow to occur without hinderance".

[2] This is completely separate from regulations that require car stores to operate safely, e.g.: if the state required that service departments have barriers around pits to keep people from falling in, that would be fine, and Tesla could comply when they open a service department. But forcing a business model on people is quite different from protecting public safety.

Re: Governor Snyder signs a law to ban Tesla direct sales in Michigan

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What is his problem? I think they are all trying every-possible-trick-under-their-belly to slow down the storm called TESLA. The day TESLA becomes mainstream the mafia of car dealers, oil rigs will go down the drain. NO MORE OIL.

You do understand that electricity is still needed to charge these cars, right, and that a lot of that energy comes from oil (or worse, coal).

Re: Governor Snyder signs a law to ban Tesla direct sales in Michigan

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How are these people justifying these changes to their constituents? It's pretty hard to justify mucking with the free markets except to protected vested interests. Most of the time, these vested interests have very little to do with the voters.

I'd wager that in Michigan, a large part of the constituency works for non-Tesla car manufacturers. They might be just fine with it.

Re: Governor Snyder signs a law to ban Tesla direct sales in Michigan

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In the country I come from, corruption is rampant, and it makes governments create anti-public, pro-corporations laws and regulations. But there it's still called "corruption". Here, in US, it is called "Lobbying", and is official.

I call it corruption as well. Any time the government violates its own laws, or violates human rights, that's corrupt.

I think americans believe their government is less corrupt in part because corruption is not identified as such.

Illegal domestic spying is corrupt, and a crime... yet no charges have been filed (for instance). This matter here, is possibly in an area where the law isn't as settled, so corruption is an opinion, rather than a fact, but an opinion I would agree with.

Re: Governor Snyder signs a law to ban Tesla direct sales in Michigan

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Snyder gets a lot of money from Ford, GM, et. al.

The United Auto Workers gave the DGA about $1 million, according to MCFN. The union was the largest donor from Michigan, followed by the Service Employees International Union, the Michigan Regional Council of Carpenters, Ford Motor Company and Caidan Management. http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/10/michigan...

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