Microsoft CEO says women need not ask for raise, should trust system
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Re: Microsoft CEO says women need not ask for raise, should trust system
#2Is he quoted out of context, or trolling? I'm confused, because most Microsoft people I know speak really highly of him, but the system is shitty for promoting even white guys in tech, let alone anyone else -- people get promoted by moving jobs every 12-24 months, not through being recognized and rewarded for contributions at companies.
"Karma" makes me think he's trolling, or was quoted out of context.
(The snarky response here is "he's clearly speaking from his extensive experience as a woman in technology...", but I'd rather take the high road.)
Re: Microsoft CEO says women need not ask for raise, should trust system
#3I don't think roles deserve certain salaries. Different people are worth different amounts for the same role. As a corollary, I don't think women should have salary expectations because of a role.
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#4Not asking for raise is "good karma".
Why would anyone want to work for Microsoft at this point if they have options?
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#5what a load of bullshit, if the women in MS found out that they are being underpaid and asked for a raise, then their wage bill would raise. Very self serving.
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#6Not asking for raise is "good karma". Why would anyone want to work for Microsoft at this point if they have options?
Apparently he also said "That's good karma. It will come back," Nadella said. "That's the kind of person that I want to trust, that I want to give more responsibility to."
http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/9/6953697/microsoft-ceo-saty...
Re: Microsoft CEO says women need not ask for raise, should trust system
#7I think it is out of context and isn't what he means. I think he means to say that women should be able to trust the system to give them a raise if they have earned it, not that they can trust the current system or should trust the current system. I think he is talking about an ideal system and not the one we are currently in. I'm going to assume best intentions here.
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#8Is he quoted out of context, or trolling? I'm confused, because most Microsoft people I know speak really highly of him, but the system is shitty for promoting even white guys in tech, let alone anyone else -- people get promoted by moving jobs every 12-24 months, not through being recognized and rewarded for contributions at companies. "Karma" makes me think he's trolling, or was quoted out of context. (The snarky r…
http://readwrite.com/2014/10/09/nadella-women-dont-ask-for-r... has a better write up, in my opinion. this was at the annual grace hopper celebration of women in computing and was not out of context / said ironically.
Re: Microsoft CEO says women need not ask for raise, should trust system
#9Is he quoted out of context, or trolling? I'm confused, because most Microsoft people I know speak really highly of him, but the system is shitty for promoting even white guys in tech, let alone anyone else -- people get promoted by moving jobs every 12-24 months, not through being recognized and rewarded for contributions at companies. "Karma" makes me think he's trolling, or was quoted out of context. (The snarky r…
It's true. I was at the conference when he said that and he has not been quoted out of context.
If he was trolling, he chose to do it at a bad location given that he's at a conference aimed at promoting women in the tech industry
Re: Microsoft CEO says women need not ask for raise, should trust system
#10Is he quoted out of context, or trolling? I'm confused, because most Microsoft people I know speak really highly of him, but the system is shitty for promoting even white guys in tech, let alone anyone else -- people get promoted by moving jobs every 12-24 months, not through being recognized and rewarded for contributions at companies. "Karma" makes me think he's trolling, or was quoted out of context. (The snarky r…
I think the likeliest case is that he is a poor negotiator himself and has left potential raises on the table without realizing it due to a lack of initiative.
The personality types that are more common in the software field are often the personality types that would avoid risk and conflict - two fears that prevent labor from negotiating for better wages.
I really don't understand why this is being made into a gendered issue. My first instinct is to just assume that if he'd instead been asked "How should software developers ask their bosses for raises?" he would have had the same answer, an answer that reflects his own insecurity and fear of negotiating - not one that reveals some deep-seated prejudice.