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Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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All this "article" says is that Hong Kong protesters are using two hashtags on twitter, while giving no further information on the nature or purpose of the protests.

Much better to read the linked Independent piece: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-prote...

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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I'm going to be pretty cynical there. China's shown it is willing use force (and bigger army diplomacy) if necessary. Spreading the word about this in China's even more difficult (internet censors). Unless the CCP buckles I can't see HK coming out on top.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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All this "article" says is that Hong Kong protesters are using two hashtags on twitter, while giving no further information on the nature or purpose of the protests. Much better to read the linked Independent piece: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-prote...

Can you add this live stream to your comment so others can see it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4q8fs8gTIs

The live stream has been covering the whole protest and also shows recaps (picture in picture). Jimmy Lai, who has been seen protesting in a poncho and goggles, owns a media empire in Hong Kong, including the Apple Daily newspaper which runs this YouTube channel.

From a tech perspective, they've been running without interruption and they even used a drone, I think a helicopter, to take footage swooping over and around the protestors and police.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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post #4

I'm going to be pretty cynical there. China's shown it is willing use force (and bigger army diplomacy) if necessary. Spreading the word about this in China's even more difficult (internet censors). Unless the CCP buckles I can't see HK coming out on top.

I know and I don't even have a VPN. I'm sure its getting around among those who care.

I don't think China will involve the PLA in this; that would cause a huge scare internationally. Instead, they'll just let the HK police deal with it (and they seem to be hard enough). The HK elite basically run the territory and are incredibly friendly to the central government.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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All this "article" says is that Hong Kong protesters are using two hashtags on twitter, while giving no further information on the nature or purpose of the protests. Much better to read the linked Independent piece: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-prote...

Can you add this live stream to your comment so others can see it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4q8fs8gTIs The live stream has been covering the whole protest and also shows recaps (picture in picture). Jimmy Lai, who has been seen protesting in a poncho and goggles, owns a media empire in Hong Kong, including the Apple Daily newspaper which runs this YouTube channel. From a tech perspective, they've been running…

This has been, by far, the best produced livestream I've ever seen. Maybe it's just due to stationary locations for some of the cameras and better bandwidth, but it's on another level.

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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post #4

I'm going to be pretty cynical there. China's shown it is willing use force (and bigger army diplomacy) if necessary. Spreading the word about this in China's even more difficult (internet censors). Unless the CCP buckles I can't see HK coming out on top.

I know and I don't even have a VPN. I'm sure its getting around among those who care. I don't think China will involve the PLA in this; that would cause a huge scare internationally. Instead, they'll just let the HK police deal with it (and they seem to be hard enough). The HK elite basically run the territory and are incredibly friendly to the central government.

I think the outcome of this will be super interesting. HK is now a part of China and I'm sure that the CCP is concerned that these protests will spread to the mainland.

My guess is that they will handle this in a very non-public way (no surprise there!) working through the HK authorities. It will be brutal, but the CCP knows what a heavy hand will get them (Tiananmen Square).

Re: Hong Kong protest: Why are pro-democracy supporters staging a sit-in?

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Hongkonger here. I help out with a number of volunteer tech groups in HK, including a few resistance groups. I'm also on the Hong Kong Python User Group committee.

We are hoping for the best but would like to prepare for the worst, so I'd like to ask fellow HNers here who have been in similar situations before: what can we expect to encounter in terms of disruptions in communications? Under those situations, how can we counter them with technology? There were rumors that cell towers in certain areas would be shut down, which I don't think happened. The cell network slowdown was more like overloaded cell towers to me. We tried Firechat yesterday and it's terrible. With 100s of people on the same room, it's impossible to follow the feed. It's also very easy to be taken over by CCP spies who just won't stop polluting the room. Is there anything you'd recommend?

Thanks HNers in advance.

Updated resources on the situations on the ground:

http://today.code4.hk/

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