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Re: Use Emacs Org-mode Links for Absolutely Anything

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below.

Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke from an admirer, btw), why pure sexpr is not the way forward for a markup language. I decided to look into them recently, including cl-who, Scribble (CL, Scheme, and now most popular Racket variants), and other sexpr markup languages. I did so thinking that, if you want to have a ground-up markup language to convert to anything, would not sexpr-based data be the best for the iconicity Lispers crave. Is it not that far removed from XML+XLST for this very reason.

Does anyone have full-bodied markup that uses sexpr as a source and translates to everything? I think this would be quite compelling, well maybe only to Lispers. Would there be a desire for such a thing?

Re: Use Emacs Org-mode Links for Absolutely Anything

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below. Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke f…

The difference here is that we're not talking about describing data, like XML does (most of the time), where sexpr-based markup is pretty great. For actual markup, SGML wasn't all that bad (closing tags are useful if the start of the current section is a few screenfuls away), or the more "do what I mean" approach as commonly used by markdown, asciidoc, rst or org-mode. And while Emacs might be "in love" with lisp, it's also all about dwim.

(Never mind the texinfo legacy)

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below. Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke f…

In Clojure:

https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup

https://github.com/cgrand/enlive

Re: Use Emacs Org-mode Links for Absolutely Anything

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Is there a tutorial for using org-mode only for a simple TODO list that anyone can recommend? I had a brief look around, but don't have the time to read the entire manual at the moment.

The tutorial by David O'Toole focuses pretty much on TODO lists and simple outlines: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/orgtutorial_dto.html

Re: Use Emacs Org-mode Links for Absolutely Anything

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below. Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke f…

Javascripters are beginning to rediscover some of these ideas in React.js.

I'm still waiting for them to rediscover continuations again. They have the "Callbacks aren't great" part down, but they still haven't pieced together the "Let's use continuations instead" part quite yet. Give it a year or two :)

Re: Use Emacs Org-mode Links for Absolutely Anything

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below. Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke f…

In Clojure: https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup https://github.com/cgrand/enlive

Thanks. I guess I really do not need to take a look at Clojure, no matter what excuse I put forward.

Re: Use Emacs Org-mode Links for Absolutely Anything

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below. Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke f…

The difference here is that we're not talking about describing data, like XML does (most of the time), where sexpr-based markup is pretty great. For actual markup, SGML wasn't all that bad (closing tags are useful if the start of the current section is a few screenfuls away), or the more "do what I mean" approach as commonly used by markdown, asciidoc, rst or org-mode. And while Emacs might be "in love" with lisp, it…

But what are we describing then. I like to see org, HTML, asciidoc, and XML as taking any data, in a very moronic basic sense, and annotating it or reshaping it for different kinds of parsers to accept.

Am I missing the mark somehow in your comment?

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So I am trying to restart a blog using org-mode. I think it is the way forward. Right now, I meaning using it as one subset, a markup language to convert into other representations. I know org-mode is more featureful than that by a long shot. I am just curious for this use case for the reason below. Having said that,I am more interested in why, despite the Church of Emacs and Its Holy Love of Parens (that is a joke f…

Javascripters are beginning to rediscover some of these ideas in React.js. I'm still waiting for them to rediscover continuations again. They have the "Callbacks aren't great" part down, but they still haven't pieced together the "Let's use continuations instead" part quite yet. Give it a year or two :)

Some Javascript developers would love to have support for first class continuations, but the Javascript engines would need to implement several changes to make them practical.
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