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Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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Re: Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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Good read. "One who got away" is a nice subtitle ... it exemplifies the strange relationships we have in academia.

The examples given highlight the three sucky things about academic jobs: (i) less money than top-tier alternatives, (ii) insane competition at the start of your career, and (iii) difficulty maintaining work-life balance if you want to be successful.

I had heard about (i) before I started my PhD. That didn't seem like a big deal since grad school was mostly paid for. I'd get annoyed when people assumed being a scientist meant that you'd never get rich. (ii) was a surprise at graduation time (around 2007). At that time, it was said to be the economy's fault. Almost a decade later, it is clear that there were structural changes going on in my field. If you were in CS, it was far easier to get a professor job during the first dot-com gold rush since CS enrollments were increasing like there was no tomorrow. Regarding (iii), I think this happens in every field. It matters who your spouse is and how supportive they are. Sometimes you learn to throw in the towel and get a good night's sleep. You also need to learn to be efficient. I admit I was not the most efficient graduate student. After working at industry research labs for many years, I am amazed by how much I've changed. I still spend too much time on irrelevant things like writing this comment or reading the article but hey .. no one's perfect.

Regarding the fields picked by the first two examples, I want to bang my head against a wall for my lack of timing. I missed the dot-com days and the app-rush. Also, before 2007, it was obvious that a finance job paid very well - it was hard work but so is everything worth doing. Today, it isn't clear if there are any paths to surefire financial success. In some places I've lived in (outside the US), it seems one of the highest compensating careers was flipping condos. The lesson I learn is to be constantly vigilant of potential opportunities and to strike as soon as possible.

Re: Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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It's usually the smartest ones who get away.

Spend 7 years for a chance at tenure?

In many fields, spend years in a postdoc for a chance at a tenure-track job?

Not smart.

The image that the smartest, most promising ones stay in is just false. Most of the cut-offs in academia are crabshoots. Smart people realize that. The intense competition makes for horrific working conditions, at least until tenure. Smart people realize that as well. Some of the competition is based on ability, but a lot is based on politics. Pick a 'hot' topic. Focus on one field, don't do anything interdisciplinary. Make friends with the people who will write letters. Play department politics. Teach just barely well enough -- to leave enough free time for research. Play the grants game. Etc. None of that is fun.

So smart people go elsewhere.

One of the first things I learned after getting my Ph.D was to go where you were in demand. I switched from my most desirable field to my second (which was more in-demand, and had a younger, more startup culture), and immediately, the amount of respect, independence, flexibility, and just about everything else went up. Difference was like night-and-day.

Always be in a position of leverage.

Re: Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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It's usually the smartest ones who get away. Spend 7 years for a chance at tenure? In many fields, spend years in a postdoc for a chance at a tenure-track job? Not smart. The image that the smartest, most promising ones stay in is just false. Most of the cut-offs in academia are crabshoots. Smart people realize that. The intense competition makes for horrific working conditions, at least until tenure. Smart people re…

Whenever people complain about society lacking scientists or scientific progress, I think, "Have you tried paying us money and giving us job security?"

Re: Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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I like those stories about people doing on thing and then, after years, they start something different.

Seems like those kind of lifes aren't simply possible in Germany, where I come frome. Studying Chemistry and then going to a bank and tell then you wanna be a investment banker.

I already have a struggle with going from software engineering to usability engineering.

Re: Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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It's usually the smartest ones who get away. Spend 7 years for a chance at tenure? In many fields, spend years in a postdoc for a chance at a tenure-track job? Not smart. The image that the smartest, most promising ones stay in is just false. Most of the cut-offs in academia are crabshoots. Smart people realize that. The intense competition makes for horrific working conditions, at least until tenure. Smart people re…

Whenever people complain about society lacking scientists or scientific progress, I think, "Have you tried paying us money and giving us job security?"

When one thinks about the big picture, it gets ridiculous. I read a stat about how each of the major league sports in the US has more money spent in it by consumers than the research funding for all forms of cancer combined. In an age where there is massive productivity in production, society should be funding the heck out of research. We could probably knock out a major disease every two years!

Re: Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

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This makes sense to me. I did my undergrad work in biochem, and got my masters in computer science. My favorite thing about chemistry was figuring out organic synthesis steps on paper. I later realized that writing code to manipulate systems and data allowed me to scratch this same itch.
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