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An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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Re: An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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Ithkuil seems like what a language should be: as the article said, it is both precise and concise. It looks the way Esperanto ought to have looked. I find Quijada's effort deeply impressive.

I don't know much about designing human languages, but I know how hard it is to design a decent programming language (see http://colinm.org/language_checklist.html), and building a serious human language seems orders of magnitude more difficult. I've never seen an attempt that really intrigued me until I found Ithkuil.

Re: An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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This is attracting some reader interest here, so I should probably mention, for other Hacker News participants deeply interested in human languages, a definitive analysis of Esperanto[1] explaining why Esperanto has not caught on with more speakers.

[1] http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/

Re: An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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Two things struck me about this article in hindsight when I read it.

-- Whose pot did the Croats, Bosnians and Slovenes piss in to not make it into this super Slavic union?

-- China Mieville wrote a book[0] along very similar thought lines which won the Locus Award.

Also, Garkavenko appears not to have taken the obvious side [1] in Ukraine's present conflict given how he is described in Foer's article

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassytown

[1] http://maidantranslations.com/2014/06/24/russian-volunteers-...

Re: An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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Can someone list a few popular constructed languages (maybe comparing them to programming languages)? I'd only heard of Lojban and Esperanto before reading this.

Try http://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs for discussion and lists of languages. There are many subreddits for specific languages. For example, Toki Pona [1] and Lojban [2].

[1] http://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona [2] http://www.reddit.com/r/lojban

Re: An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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post #5

Can someone list a few popular constructed languages (maybe comparing them to programming languages)? I'd only heard of Lojban and Esperanto before reading this.

Toki Pona is a minimalist language with a bit of a following. It has 120 root words and tries to build all concepts based on those.

Loglan is a predecessor and inspiration to Lojban.

Slovio is the Slavic version of Esperanto.

Dothraki, Elvish (Quenya, Sindarin), Klingon, Na'vi are constructed languages from popular novels/movies.

Re: An amateur linguist loses control of the language he invented (2012)

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I wonder how well Ithkuil can be represented in Ian Banks' Marain script. http://trevor-hopkins.com/banks/a-few-notes-on-marain.html

Ithkuil has well over double the number of phonemes as Marain, so the answer would probably be "not so well".
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