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New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by rmoriz »

Hopefully this will drive many DE ISPs out of business. Strato, 1&1 and Hetzner are incapable of providing anything besides dumb webhosting and cheap bare metal stuff. I've wasted so many hours trying to explain these companies how the world is changing, they never got it and now it's too late to build anything that could compete with AWS.

They (1&1, Strato, HostEurope, Hetzner, …) don't even try to provide OpenStack packages or something leightweight-ish using Docker, except if you pay every single hour of their manual work. 1&1 build something called ProfitBricks.de which focusses of "designing your infrastructure in the browser", however they build a big Java EE legacy framework with a nasty SOAP-API. Their sales pitch is something like "we are cheaper than amazon/they rip of their customers".

And still they neither contributed support to LibCloud or fog.io so neither Chef, Puppet, Ansible nor SaltStack work out of the box with it. I don't understand those people.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by lucian1900 »

rmoriz wrote: post #3

Hopefully this will drive many DE ISPs out of business. Strato, 1&1 and Hetzner are incapable of providing anything besides dumb webhosting and cheap bare metal stuff. I've wasted so many hours trying to explain these companies how the world is changing, they never got it and now it's too late to build anything that could compete with AWS. They (1&1, Strato, HostEurope, Hetzner, …) don't even try to provide OpenStack…

Hetzner can give you extremely cheap physical hardware, prices which you cannot hope to approach with AWS.

You don't need any of the buzzword-y technologies you list to be supported directly by the host. If you want Docker, you can run it yourself.

VMs are over-rated.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by rmoriz »

lucian1900 wrote: post #5
rmoriz wrote: post #3

Hopefully this will drive many DE ISPs out of business. Strato, 1&1 and Hetzner are incapable of providing anything besides dumb webhosting and cheap bare metal stuff. I've wasted so many hours trying to explain these companies how the world is changing, they never got it and now it's too late to build anything that could compete with AWS. They (1&1, Strato, HostEurope, Hetzner, …) don't even try to provide OpenStack…

Hetzner can give you extremely cheap physical hardware, prices which you cannot hope to approach with AWS. You don't need any of the buzzword-y technologies you list to be supported directly by the host. If you want Docker, you can run it yourself. VMs are over-rated.

If you want to build something sustainable, you earn money or need to be able to scale incredibly well. If you just want to host your private blog, even DigitalOcean provides better packages than Hetzner.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by MartinMond »

rmoriz wrote: post #3

Hopefully this will drive many DE ISPs out of business. Strato, 1&1 and Hetzner are incapable of providing anything besides dumb webhosting and cheap bare metal stuff. I've wasted so many hours trying to explain these companies how the world is changing, they never got it and now it's too late to build anything that could compete with AWS. They (1&1, Strato, HostEurope, Hetzner, …) don't even try to provide OpenStack…

I hope Hetzner will be able to compete, because their offers have so much better performance per EUR than Amazon's: https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-p...

I talked to some colleagues about scaling with Hetzner and their answer was to just overprovision like crazy since Hetzner's so cheap anyhow.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by rmoriz »

MartinMond wrote: post #7
rmoriz wrote: post #3

Hopefully this will drive many DE ISPs out of business. Strato, 1&1 and Hetzner are incapable of providing anything besides dumb webhosting and cheap bare metal stuff. I've wasted so many hours trying to explain these companies how the world is changing, they never got it and now it's too late to build anything that could compete with AWS. They (1&1, Strato, HostEurope, Hetzner, …) don't even try to provide OpenStack…

I hope Hetzner will be able to compete, because their offers have so much better performance per EUR than Amazon's: https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-p... I talked to some colleagues about scaling with Hetzner and their answer was to just overprovision like crazy since Hetzner's so cheap anyhow.

how? You don't have a shared storage nor a private network nor "availability zones". Sure, you can tinker something if you have free time but you'll move off and regret it. Like Wooga and others.

If you run some cluster FS on your single, external network interface, it's quite easy to DoS your cluster.

There is no option to place a service inside a DC, you can ask them but this will result in a manual provision taking days —or be ignored. Also you don't know how the different DCs are connected in terms of internal bandwidth and external reliability. Hetzner itself says their inter-dc connections "are not optimized", whatever that means.

If you run multiple customers on your system and one get's DoSed, Hetzner will disconnect your system. Sure, this was good enough 2-3 years ago, but they didn't change their DoS, provisioning and networking setup.

Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1

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Post by funkyy »

I am happy that this is called central. I would like to see more recognition to Central Europe in geo-political world as current line between west and east Europe do not make much more sense anymore. Central europe culture and economy ties makes it strong candidate to new order - West Europe Central Europe and East Europe. I am thrilled to see what Amazon will have to offer!
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