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How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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Re: How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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"At this level of sensitivity it would take the detector about 20 hours to determine whether radon was present at levels recommended as actionable by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency with about 10 percent accuracy."

What does 10 percent accuracy mean? Doesn't that mean it's usually completely wrong?

http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/ looks like a great site, I can't wait to build some of these things!

Re: How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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post #3

How do you know the hits aren't cosmic rays? It seems a few hits per hour could easily be cosmic rays, unless they are distinguishable somehow.

agree, this device looks like it can detect any alpha radioactivity regardless of what is emitting it.

edit: re-reading I found this "In order to make it more sensitive, I added an electrostatic concentrator to capture one of radon’s alpha-particle-emitting daughter products"

Re: How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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post #3

How do you know the hits aren't cosmic rays? It seems a few hits per hour could easily be cosmic rays, unless they are distinguishable somehow.

Looking at the decay chain of U-238 [0], some of the descendants of radon-222 have extremely short half-lives.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238#Radium_series_.28or...

Re: How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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post #4

"At this level of sensitivity it would take the detector about 20 hours to determine whether radon was present at levels recommended as actionable by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency with about 10 percent accuracy." What does 10 percent accuracy mean? Doesn't that mean it's usually completely wrong? http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/ looks like a great site, I can't wait to build some of these thing…

I guess the author was thinking about instrument accuracy, which is usually expressed as percentage of full scale, or percentage of the actual reading, or percentage of the scale span. So I would guess the author wanted to say that it would take the detector about 20 hours to reach the accuracy of +/- 10 percent of the reading.

Re: How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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post #4

"At this level of sensitivity it would take the detector about 20 hours to determine whether radon was present at levels recommended as actionable by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency with about 10 percent accuracy." What does 10 percent accuracy mean? Doesn't that mean it's usually completely wrong? http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/ looks like a great site, I can't wait to build some of these thing…

If there's one thing radiation types like, its multiple measurement standards and massive unit conversions.

First of all as typical the physicists use a SI unit that joe average USA doesn't use. The physicists like Bq which is basically odds of decay of a single particle. So 1 Bq/liter/second is one decay per second in a one liter jar. Not much. A legacy curie Ci still used by the EPA is something like about how many decays a chunk of radium gives off in a second or the length of the kings foot or some ridiculous. Anyway 1 Bq = 27 pico curies or pCi. So the EPA standard of 4 pCi/L translated into modern terms is 0.148 Bq/L

The dude provides his survey meter in Bq/cubic meter and we're talking Bq/liter so div 1000 because 1000 liters in a cubic meter. So the survey meter is reading 0.159 Bq/L.

I am a bit confused why the dudes test area is reading about 10% over the EPA standard for radon contamination. I guess he needs a source that should just barely be positive. In that way, it makes sense to run the tests in that location.

As a side note I'm guessing his homemade gadget has a volume of a tenth liter. That would imply about 0.0148 Bq/sec activity in his homemade gadget. He claims a detection level of 5.2 Bq/hour (edit: 5.2 hits/hour) so 0.0148 * 60 * 60 = thirty something actual Bq activity (edit: hits) happened in his detector of which he captured 5.2 on average. That means his homemade gadget is about 13% likely to detect any individual decay that happened inside of it. That's actually pretty good!

I can't be bothered to continue with a statistical analysis but the 10% claim sounds about reasonable because of what boils down to quantization noise. So your threshold is about 5 pings per hour. He gathers 20 hours of data thats about 100 pings total. The longer you gather and average data the more sig figs you get to accumulate with a sqrt of the number of samples (way too long story). So he's saying with 100 pings his data reduction indicates with X% certainty the actual number is within 10% of the legacy 4 pCi/L

Someone else can pick up the statistics torch and run with it from here.

The TLDR is given infrequent discrete events you need a lot of them to have a statistically relevant discovery if you rely on averaging them together to gain a sig fig in your results.

Re: How to Build a Home-Brew Radon Detector: Measure Radiation with a Webcam

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post #5
post #3

How do you know the hits aren't cosmic rays? It seems a few hits per hour could easily be cosmic rays, unless they are distinguishable somehow.

agree, this device looks like it can detect any alpha radioactivity regardless of what is emitting it. edit: re-reading I found this "In order to make it more sensitive, I added an electrostatic concentrator to capture one of radon’s alpha-particle-emitting daughter products"

Alpha radiation from outer space can't penetrate the atmosphere, for much the same reason you can't fire bullets 1km underwater from the surface. The only source of alphas from cosmic radiation would be from some sort of indirect effects such as direct fissioning (at ground level) of a nuclide by cosmic radiation into an alpha + daughter.
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