I have been defeated, java sucks

#1

Post by livando » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 4:57 PM UTC

it's not that java itself is terrible, it's what happens to it, when placed inside a corporate env. it gets hacked together, becomes old and outdated, and it makes you hate doing what you love to do. that's what sucks about java. now where do i go?

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#2

Post by noodle » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 5:02 PM UTC

figure out what you'd rather be doing, and work towards that.

but, you should probably be doing this at all times, anyway. once you saw you fell out of love with java, figure out what you want to aim for next.

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#3

Post by DanielStraight » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 5:28 PM UTC

1. Java itself is terrible. It doesn't have lambdas. Enough said.

2. Everything gets hacked together and becomes old and outdated.

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#4

Post by cmkrnl » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 5:29 PM UTC

Oh man. You're hitting human stupidity. Not easy to escape that. I used to be an OpenVMS sysadmin. Now I administer enterprise middleware -- ESBs. Just like getting booted from Eden.

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#5

Post by huherto » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 5:30 PM UTC

I think I know what you mean. In corporate environments sometimes the "architects" overdesign their solutions and it is no fun. However, is not really Java. Java can be fun as I rediscovered recently working with GWT. But I had the luxury to make an architecture light enough for my taste.

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#6

Post by zv » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 6:02 PM UTC

For desktop try Qt, C# For web try Python, RoR

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#7

Post by _pius » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 6:13 PM UTC

JRuby. :)

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Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#8

Post by icey » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 6:16 PM UTC

_pius wrote: post #7

JRuby. :) >

Why the flame protection? I hear JRuby is pretty nice.

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#9

Post by _pius » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 6:22 PM UTC

icey wrote: post #8

_pius wrote: post #7

JRuby. :) >

Why the flame protection? I hear JRuby is pretty nice.

It is. But there are a lot of Ruby haters around, it seems.

Re: I have been defeated, java sucks

#10

Post by Novash » Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 7:17 PM UTC

I studied Java at College. I knew C, Pascal and some C++. I remember VERY CLEARLY hating it. But it was long ago, and I had long forgotten why, so I recently (like 2 weeks ago) decided to give Java another try. And I remember now why.

When you have fscanf, or cin, doing a new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader()) just to read a key from console seems pretty stupid. I know Java has System.In.Read, but why doesn't it have System.In.Readln? (forgive me if it does, but the course I took specifically said it doesn't)

Also, why the redundante names for enum constants? What was the guy thinking when he designed swing? A method that returns you a MessageBox object instead of simply a MessageBox class? I'm sorry about the rant, but Java style feel ackward after coding for a couple years in C#.