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Ask HN: Are Startups Exploiting Freelancers?

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As a freelancer I've had many small clients delay payments, it's part and parcel. However, over the past few years I've been involved with a few startups and am now owed over $100K. Each startup led me on for far too long, and now it seems none have the ability to cover the costs owed. I'm stuck and at a massive loss.

Just wondering if anyone out there has a similar story?

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Startups are a dicey bunch, cash flow is always "in flux". With that said, tightly covering your development with staged hours AND/OR deliverables and stopping development completely when payments are missed can help alleviate some loss.

Agreed, it's a long story but I have definitely learnt a lot and do business very differently now.

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For one contract, I did a couple hours of work and never got paid. It isn't worth the hassle to try and collect, so I just wrote it off as a loss and a learning experience.

Even with a written contract, as an individual freelancer it probably isn't worth your time and money to lawyer up and try to collect.

There's only one way to make sure the bill never gets too big. Once the amount owed reaches a certain amount, refuse to do any more work until you get paid. Ideally, you're working on an arrangement where you get paid every 2 weeks. Then, the most you can lose per client is 3-4 weeks' salary.

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post #3

That is why you have good contracts in place.

There are contracts but no money. There's nothing to retrieve.. yet. So I'm stuck waiting for them to make money or raise.

For the future, use escrow. It just looks like you are working for companies that have no money to pay you (and prob. never will). If a company isn't willing to use escrow, run. They either don't have the money or are planning on not paying you anyway. It doesn't have to be for the whole thing, but at least until you have a relationship with them, use it. Start ups in SV (generalising) are run by kids with little head now a days that think they are the kings of the world, and don't care about screwing you over because that is what they learned from Jobs or Zuckerberg or whatever.

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post #3

That is why you have good contracts in place.

There are contracts but no money. There's nothing to retrieve.. yet. So I'm stuck waiting for them to make money or raise.

One of the major advantages of working through an agency is that they have processes in place to asses credit risk and handle collections.

This isn't limited to startups though. I've seen a medium sized company stonewall on payments until the freelancer in question was willing to settle for 20%-30% of the agreed upon price simply to recover something for the time they invested in the project. This was a negotiating tactic for them and when it didn't work they would pay whatever interest rate was agreed upon in the contract, which was often nothing.

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