Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
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Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
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Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#2I wonder how much longer Switzerland can cash in on their national brand for security and privacy. Their largest banks can't even keep their customers' accounts safe from foreign tax investigators. Why would I trust the integrity of my data there?
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#3I wonder how much longer Switzerland can cash in on their national brand for security and privacy. Their largest banks can't even keep their customers' accounts safe from foreign tax investigators. Why would I trust the integrity of my data there?
I think you are confusing substantiated, well supported, warrants/subpoenas/etc and tax collaboration agreements, with arbitrary user requests, gag orders, mass surveillance, etc. The two are at opposite spectrums.
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#4I wonder how much longer Switzerland can cash in on their national brand for security and privacy. Their largest banks can't even keep their customers' accounts safe from foreign tax investigators. Why would I trust the integrity of my data there?
I think you are confusing substantiated, well supported, warrants/subpoenas/etc and tax collaboration agreements, with arbitrary user requests, gag orders, mass surveillance, etc. The two are at opposite spectrums.
German tax officials purchased stolen account information[0] in order to pursue tax cheats. If you think that's acceptable within the rule of law, then what's wrong with gag orders and mass surveillance?
[0]http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cc1eef78-5928-...
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are confusing substantiated, well supported, warrants/subpoenas/etc and tax collaboration agreements, with arbitrary user requests, gag orders, mass surveillance, etc. The two are at opposite spectrums.
German tax officials purchased stolen account information[0] in order to pursue tax cheats. If you think that's acceptable within the rule of law, then what's wrong with gag orders and mass surveillance? [0] http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cc1eef78-5928-...
Scale?
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are confusing substantiated, well supported, warrants/subpoenas/etc and tax collaboration agreements, with arbitrary user requests, gag orders, mass surveillance, etc. The two are at opposite spectrums.
German tax officials purchased stolen account information[0] in order to pursue tax cheats. If you think that's acceptable within the rule of law, then what's wrong with gag orders and mass surveillance? [0] http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cc1eef78-5928-...
No, I wasn't referring to that very case, but how OECD countries signed and agreement with Switzerland to avoid tax evasion. Just Google OECD-Swiss tax treaty. Your outlier is not the norm.
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#7I wonder how much you can trust the software if its developer must choose a favorable jurisdiction? To my knowledge, developers of Git, PGP, GPG, Bittorrent, Tor, Bitcoin and Bitmessage live where they want because the software is designed to have no centralized links to anyone's private data. So there is no big company to go after.
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#8I wonder how much you can trust the software if its developer must choose a favorable jurisdiction? To my knowledge, developers of Git, PGP, GPG, Bittorrent, Tor, Bitcoin and Bitmessage live where they want because the software is designed to have no centralized links to anyone's private data. So there is no big company to go after.
You realize the developer of PGP and the technical cofounder of Silent Circle are the same person, right?
Bittorrent isn't really a great example either... How long do you think The Pirate Bay would last hosted in the US?
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#9I wonder how much longer Switzerland can cash in on their national brand for security and privacy. Their largest banks can't even keep their customers' accounts safe from foreign tax investigators. Why would I trust the integrity of my data there?
I think you are confusing substantiated, well supported, warrants/subpoenas/etc and tax collaboration agreements, with arbitrary user requests, gag orders, mass surveillance, etc. The two are at opposite spectrums.
I'm not sure we have such a clean historical record in that area. There was a huge scandal in the 80s about massive surveillance of people on the left of the political spectrum :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_files_scandal
Re: Silent Circle raises $30M, moves to Switzerland
#10I wonder how much longer Switzerland can cash in on their national brand for security and privacy. Their largest banks can't even keep their customers' accounts safe from foreign tax investigators. Why would I trust the integrity of my data there?
Hopefully zero, since there's a history of Swiss companies knowingly backdooring products.