Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
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Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#2Embarcadero C++Builder is the successor to Borland's Turbo C. It has changed names several times, having been marketed under the brands Borland, Inprise, CodeGear, and Embarcadero.
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#3The biggest issue C++Builder has for me is that it is pretty damn expensive considering Xcode is included as part of OS X. The Professional version is £850 and still requires the extra purchase of the Mobile Add-on pack which is an extra £423! That makes the total cost £1273!! I would rather pay less and buy a Macbook Air which comes with Xcode.
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#4According Embarcadero's website Delphi XE5 offers all the same plus Android support: http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi, http://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder. If they're targeting mobile developers I wonder why Embarcadero hasn't released a cheap "indie" version of Delphi yet. Last I checked it had much better compile times than C++Builder and the language itself could easily be marketed as a "friendlier C++". Meanwhile, outside of some larger companies where it's entrenched Delphi's popularity is waning.
Edit: Now that I've looked at their online store through a US proxy I see that they have: https://store.embarcadero.com/542/catalog/product.s3703/lang.... Not that the conditions are very good:
>If you’re an individual you may use the Starter Edition to create apps for your own use and apps that you can sell until your revenues reach $1,000 per year. If you’re a small company or organization without revenue (or up to $1,000 per year in revenue), you can also use the Starter Edition. Once your company's total revenue reaches US $1,000, or your team expands to more than 5 developers, move up to the Professional edition with an unrestricted commercial license.
The upgrade from Starter to Professional costs $899.00.
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#5According Embarcadero's website Delphi XE5 offers all the same plus Android support: http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi , http://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder . If they're targeting mobile developers I wonder why Embarcadero hasn't released a cheap "indie" version of Delphi yet. Last I checked it had much better compile times than C++Builder and the language itself could easily be marketed as a "frien…
I used to love Borland tools.
Having learned Turbo Pascal before C, I never liked C, given the capabilities of Turbo Pascal.
Type safety, blazing compile times, modules, system level programming, objects.
Management killed Borland products thanks to their continuous change of brand, lack of investment on Kylix and Anders going to Microsoft.
Most customers became reluctant to keep investing on their tooling.
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#6The biggest issue C++Builder has for me is that it is pretty damn expensive considering Xcode is included as part of OS X. The Professional version is £850 and still requires the extra purchase of the Mobile Add-on pack which is an extra £423! That makes the total cost £1273!! I would rather pay less and buy a Macbook Air which comes with Xcode.
If it is just you, it might be expensive, but it is pretty cheap for big companies, when you compare it with other commercial frameworks or compilers.
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#7Embarcadero C++Builder is the successor to Borland's Turbo C. It has changed names several times, having been marketed under the brands Borland, Inprise, CodeGear, and Embarcadero.
Actually Borland C++.
The guys responsible for those changes of brand killed Borland products. :(
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#8Embarcadero C++Builder is the successor to Borland's Turbo C. It has changed names several times, having been marketed under the brands Borland, Inprise, CodeGear, and Embarcadero.
Makes me wonder if they should not bring the old Borland name (or even Turbo). That'll resonate at least with a lot more older developers (that might be managers now).
I stared with programming with TURBO.COM (Turbo Pascal 3.0) - it was 33kb DOS executable and had built-in editor - fit on a diskette, and there was space for other things.
I skipped version 4 (Turbo/Borland Pascal) and had most fun with 5.0 and 5.5, then 6.0 was solid, and later it was the last time I've used Borland products - the first Delphi and that was it.
Turbo Vision (Borland's GUI for Text Mode - e.g. DOS) was very advanced. I've briefly tried OWL (C/C++ I think) - but had to move onto other things.
Then Delphi was very easy to build interfaces, and later when Microsoft snatched Anders Hejlsberg it kind of resurfaced in Microsoft's products. For example MFC's GUI editing was much worse (and still is) than whatever Delphi had 15 or more years ago (my opinion, I know too many MFC fans out there, and surely they still love it).
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#9According Embarcadero's website Delphi XE5 offers all the same plus Android support: http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi , http://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder . If they're targeting mobile developers I wonder why Embarcadero hasn't released a cheap "indie" version of Delphi yet. Last I checked it had much better compile times than C++Builder and the language itself could easily be marketed as a "frien…
I used to love Borland tools. Having learned Turbo Pascal before C, I never liked C, given the capabilities of Turbo Pascal. Type safety, blazing compile times, modules, system level programming, objects. Management killed Borland products thanks to their continuous change of brand, lack of investment on Kylix and Anders going to Microsoft. Most customers became reluctant to keep investing on their tooling.
I loved it too. I moved to "C" because of one missing function in Pascal (and as I would say now - it's runtime library) - "movefile" - e.g. moving file from one directory to another.
Also someone was spreading rumours that all games were written in C/C++ so we had to move to it :)
When I learned assembly, and got my Ralph Brown's interrupt list (best thing ever back in the days) I went back to Pascal and made little assembly function for "movefile".
I remmember friend of mine, who just moved to "C" put all his code in the .h file - and it was compiling all the time. Back then having .TPU file and not having to write additional header file was very advanced compared to C/C++ - and the compilation times were much faster.
Re: Embarcadero Bridges Gap From Desktop to Mobile - supports iOS in C++Builder XE5
#10The biggest issue C++Builder has for me is that it is pretty damn expensive considering Xcode is included as part of OS X. The Professional version is £850 and still requires the extra purchase of the Mobile Add-on pack which is an extra £423! That makes the total cost £1273!! I would rather pay less and buy a Macbook Air which comes with Xcode.
If it is just you, it might be expensive, but it is pretty cheap for big companies, when you compare it with other commercial frameworks or compilers.
Yeah I am talking about individuals. I guess I am not their target customer though. Obviously to big companies a few thousand is nothing (especially when you look at >$10k for MSDN Ultimate) but Embarcadero have zero products aimed towards the individual developer (not even the Starter Edition is worth it as it is so limited for the price).