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Why I'm Interested in Bitcoin

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Re: Why I'm Interested in Bitcoin

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I used to believe that the reversibility of transactions was a major benefit of using cards, but it turns out that is really just a reversibility of liability.

Credit cards are an outdated tool. They pass plain text data about a user to authorize a transaction allowing hackers to pull something off like the Target hack. One of the advantages of bitcoin is the ability to digitally authorize a transaction that cannot be reused. In an online marketplace it's far far easier to accept bitcoins than credit cards because you have no fraud risk, which is a HUGE problem in online retail.

I expect a lot of online retail stores to start accepting bitcoin payments at large discounts to cash just for this reason.

Re: Why I'm Interested in Bitcoin

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I know this is completely off-topic, and I know this is a war I will lose, but must we call ourselves "bullish"/"bearish"?

Anyway, Bitcoin may not save the world, but if it does anything like what this blog post says, it may very well save the Internet from the advertising platform it's become.

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I used to believe that the reversibility of transactions was a major benefit of using cards, but it turns out that is really just a reversibility of liability. Credit cards are an outdated tool. They pass plain text data about a user to authorize a transaction allowing hackers to pull something off like the Target hack. One of the advantages of bitcoin is the ability to digitally authorize a transaction that cannot b…

As an online retailer, what do you do if someone reports fraud? Shrug your shoulders and tell them they should have been more careful with their wallet?

If Bitcoin == cash, what does a storefront do if someone comes to them and says "my stolen cash was used to buy items here"? Usually nothing, yes? Is that what we're saying is the burden of responsibility for an online store with Bitcoin?

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I used to believe that the reversibility of transactions was a major benefit of using cards, but it turns out that is really just a reversibility of liability. Credit cards are an outdated tool. They pass plain text data about a user to authorize a transaction allowing hackers to pull something off like the Target hack. One of the advantages of bitcoin is the ability to digitally authorize a transaction that cannot b…

> In an online marketplace it's far far easier to accept bitcoins than credit cards because you have no fraud risk, which is a HUGE problem in online retail.

I currently work for a large online marketplace. A very typical fraud scenario (maybe the most common) is someone collecting payment for an item that they don't actually possess. This would only be harder to deal with and correct if the payment were disbursed to an anonymous seller in bitcoins.

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The reason why people should get excited about Bitcoin is not a bubble or money, but rather a something completely new. Large group of people put financial rules into software and agreed that they are going to use these rules without external central entity and enforcement.

If this continue to roll, same might be applied to many other areas I believe.

It is just my random fantasy at this moment, but why we will need enforcement, if we will have guarantied income in bitcoins and laws system built same way as bitcoin (i.e. opensource and agreed to use by most people) and law enforcement as a function of guaranteed income amount.... Just random thought.

or finally having AI which can exist on its own, buy components of its environment (i.e. machines, networks, etc)

I believe what is emerging right now as a Bitcoin is much wider phenomena than just a way to avoid pay taxes and inflation.

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For all the people out there who are thinking about bitcoin as a payment technology: If you assume that customers get paid in dollars and that vendors will have to use dollars to pay their taxes, pay their employees and buy the raw materials for their products (reasonable assumptions, I think), then a payment consists of one conversion from dollars to bitcoins by the purchaser, and one conversion from bitcoins to dollars by the vendor.

Those two transactions will have associated costs. Exchanges take out trading fees and the market makers on the exchanges will want to see some profit as well (you will see this reflected in the bid/ask spread). The total cost for the transaction will be 2x the spread + exchange fees. People keep touting the 2.5% charge for using credit cards, but they don't compare it to a similar value for bitcoin. It clearly is not 0%. Exchange fees alone are can be something like 0.5%. If we double that (two conversions, remember) that's 1% just in exchange fees. Unfortunately, I don't have good numbers for bitcoin / dollar spreads because I don't watch that market very closely.

So we have 2.5% for credit cards and 1% + spread (unknown) for bitcoin. And with credit cards consumers at least get some protection in the case of fraud. Does anyone else have a better model for bitcoin transaction costs?

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I used to believe that the reversibility of transactions was a major benefit of using cards, but it turns out that is really just a reversibility of liability. Credit cards are an outdated tool. They pass plain text data about a user to authorize a transaction allowing hackers to pull something off like the Target hack. One of the advantages of bitcoin is the ability to digitally authorize a transaction that cannot b…

> In an online marketplace it's far far easier to accept bitcoins than credit cards because you have no fraud risk, which is a HUGE problem in online retail. I currently work for a large online marketplace. A very typical fraud scenario (maybe the most common) is someone collecting payment for an item that they don't actually possess. This would only be harder to deal with and correct if the payment were disbursed to…

Such an online marketplace should have an escrow included then if they wish to use Bitcoin as a payment method.

I believe the Silk Road(s) have used such systems.

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For all the people out there who are thinking about bitcoin as a payment technology: If you assume that customers get paid in dollars and that vendors will have to use dollars to pay their taxes, pay their employees and buy the raw materials for their products (reasonable assumptions, I think), then a payment consists of one conversion from dollars to bitcoins by the purchaser, and one conversion from bitcoins to dol…

...currently.

I don't think most people are interested in Bitcoin primarily because of the utility it currently provides and the infrastructure that has so far been built.

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