Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
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Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#2The author also posted the following follow up, also worth a read:
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#3Previous discussion --> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6536916
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#4The money quote: "The glass ceiling exists; it’s just higher than I’d realized."
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#5There's no evidence at all that she hit a gender-related glass ceiling. The story strongly points to the problem being her, not her gender. The only suggestion of discrimination on the part of the hire comes from a third party speculating about it. The glass ceiling may well be real, but this anecdote doesn't demonstrate it.
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It's also a bit ridiculous that the author's "coach", who tells her this is a case of gender discrimination, does so (according to the author) using assumptions about the hire based on his gender, age and geographical origin. So the (unsupported) claim of discrimination is itself based on explicit discrimination.
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#6So the premise is people from some cultures don't want to work for you and that limits your ability as a boss?
I have never heard of this before, though after reading the article I can see it having played out in the workplace.
As the boss you are still the one with the power, no?
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#7So the premise is people from some cultures don't want to work for you and that limits your ability as a boss? I have never heard of this before, though after reading the article I can see it having played out in the workplace. As the boss you are still the one with the power, no?
> As the boss you are still the one with the power, no?
That depends on whether people want to work for you more than you want them to work for you.
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#8I don't see how she concluded that gender was the issue from what actually happened.
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#9I don't see how she concluded that gender was the issue from what actually happened.
Logical skips can do a lot.
Re: Elaine Wherry: Why I Now Believe the Glass Ceiling Is Real
#10There's no evidence at all that she hit a gender-related glass ceiling. The story strongly points to the problem being her , not her gender. The only suggestion of discrimination on the part of the hire comes from a third party speculating about it. The glass ceiling may well be real, but this anecdote doesn't demonstrate it. edit: It's also a bit ridiculous that the author's "coach", who tells her this is a case of…
No evidence at all? The guy didn't even offer her a chance to negotiate - a chance he did give another (male) founder. While it's true that this is not definitive evidence for gender bias, it is at least suggestive. I'm wondering what type of evidence you would accept, because you know, it's quite rare (although not unheard of!) for men to openly come out and say that they discriminate against women.
Bearing that in mind, pretty much every proxy that can be measured indicates that there is a gender bias. Think about it - what sort of thing could you look at that would indicate a glass-ceiling? Lower access to higher level jobs compared to numbers at entry level? Check. Lower negotiated salaries? Check. Sexist comments made in public places? Check.
Our world looks suspiciously similar to what we would expect the world to look like if there was a deep gender bias.