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A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you're not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin. In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.

It's exciting to hear that your personal subjective experience with "everything that can be prescribed" generalizes perfectly to the other 7 billion humans on the planet. This should save a ton of time and money on medical research.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you're not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin. In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.

It's exciting to hear that your personal subjective experience with "everything that can be prescribed" generalizes perfectly to the other 7 billion humans on the planet. This should save a ton of time and money on medical research.

I think it's obvious that any psychoactive substance will change one's self. Hence the word psychoactive.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you're not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin. In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.

It's exciting to hear that your personal subjective experience with "everything that can be prescribed" generalizes perfectly to the other 7 billion humans on the planet. This should save a ton of time and money on medical research.

Not to mention the highly disputable value judgement that someone crippled by depression is somehow more authentic.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you're not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin. In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.

There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with heroin if it's used in a reasonable manner for something it can actually help with. It is, in fact, quite useful to deal with some kinds of physical pain. It's been eclipsed in recent decades by other kinds of opioids, but that's a difference of degree, not kind. Heroin isn't magically evil just because it's become a bogeyman 'substance of abuse' over the past few decades.

The point is that drugs are not inherently evil. Some drugs might be more harmful than beneficial, but that can only be determined by trials and evidence. Demonizing the things is the exact opposite of helpful.

In fact, I'll amplify the point: Injecting morality into things without a moral dimension is very harmful. It prevents people from looking at things rationally, by clouding the issue with emotional noise.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you're not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin. In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.

There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with heroin if it's used in a reasonable manner for something it can actually help with. It is, in fact, quite useful to deal with some kinds of physical pain. It's been eclipsed in recent decades by other kinds of opioids, but that's a difference of degree, not kind. Heroin isn't magically evil just because it's become a bogeyman 'substance of abuse' over the past few deca…

I agree and have no qualms with people's use of heroin, and have dabbled, myself. It was only presented as an example.

To amplify, there is nothing morally wrong with anti-depressants either. However morality is not the issue of my concern, the deadening of true self is.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exciting to hear that your personal subjective experience with "everything that can be prescribed" generalizes perfectly to the other 7 billion humans on the planet. This should save a ton of time and money on medical research.

I think it's obvious that any psychoactive substance will change one's self. Hence the word psychoactive .

Of course they'll change one's self, that's the point. Also talk therapy (hopefully) changes one's self. More specifically changing from depressed to not depressed. But that completely different from your original statement of "make you into somebody you're not".

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with heroin if it's used in a reasonable manner for something it can actually help with. It is, in fact, quite useful to deal with some kinds of physical pain. It's been eclipsed in recent decades by other kinds of opioids, but that's a difference of degree, not kind. Heroin isn't magically evil just because it's become a bogeyman 'substance of abuse' over the past few deca…

I agree and have no qualms with people's use of heroin, and have dabbled, myself. It was only presented as an example. To amplify, there is nothing morally wrong with anti-depressants either. However morality is not the issue of my concern, the deadening of true self is.

I'm not too concerned if my "true self" dies, growth means change, and change can mean death of a previous "self"
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