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Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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Re: Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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If they put as much effort into this as they did in the kitchen cabinet software they built I expect to see a lot of people using this. IKEA has a knack for packaging things in such a way that works for people.

Although I can say that nothing I've bought at Ikea has lasted a terribly long time.

Tend to go for non chipboard and non UV sensitive plastic stuff now that you can actually clean and leave in the sun without destroying it.

Re: Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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> Photovoltaic panel systems costing £5,200 ($9,212)

With the exchange rate at 1.62 USD to the GBP, I can't imagine how they got that dollar figure. Remember that UK prices include sales tax @20%, so that puts the retail price at about USD$7000 pre-tax.

Re: Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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IKEA has a bizarre complex business setup which ends up with IKEA being the world's largest (and nearly least generous) charity. ( http://www.economist.com/node/6919139/print?story_id=6919139 )

This seems fairly straightforward to understand compared to the tax avoidance strategy Google employs in Europe ( http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/... )

Re: Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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It doesn't sound like it is sustainable to have these subsidies for very long:

- At current rates the Feed-in Tariff pays you 14.9p for every kWh you produce, whether you use it or not. The Feed-in Tariff is TAX FREE and RPI Linked.

- Export your excess electricity to the grid and earn an additional 4.6p/kWh.

(http://www.hanergy.co.uk/why-solar/feed-in-tariff)

Re: Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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The problem is that this is a tax dodge for rich middle class people - at one time selling your solar energy back to the grid you got 8% return for 20 years guaranteed by the government.

Even after the scheme was amended its a nice little subsidy for richer people it's the poor sods on key/coin meters that are paying for this.

Re: Ikea's New Solar Panels: Sunshine Optional, Subsidies Required

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I'm super excited about the promise of solar panels, because my house has unobstructed exposure to the sun, and I live in the Bay Area, so we get sunshine 300+ days per year.

However, every time I revisit the math, it never works out. Even if I purchase it myself, the payoff times are never less than around 17-20 years, depending on how aggressive I project the rise in electricity rates. Given that solar panels have a serviceable life about 20 years, it still isn't cost effective yet.

But I'm getting more and more optimistic that in the next few years, we'll reach a level where solar panels make sense.

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