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Re: Formula E

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Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring.

By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation.

> During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180 hp)

> The motor is good for a maximum output of 200 kW (270 horsepower), but that power is only allowed to be used continuously during practice and qualifying.

> Formula E racer can go from 0-60 MPH in three seconds, while the top speed is limited to a rather anemic 140 MPH

Re: Formula E

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post #2

Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring. By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation. > During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180…

>> "In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring."

Not true at all. If the cars were practically identical Red Bull wouldn't be running away with the championship every year. As important as the drivers are in F1 the car is much more important.

>> "Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated"

Without some of those restrictions most of the smaller teams couldn't afford to go racing. We would lose probably half the teams. And tyres are what has made F1 so exciting these last few years. Tyres could easily be made to last an entire race taking away the strategy aspect from F1 that makes it so interesting.

Re: Formula E

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>> "The schedule is set to include London, Berlin, Rome, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Beijing, Bangkok, and Purtrajaya, as well as stateside races in Los Angeles and Miami. "

The fact that this is run completely on street circuits will hurt it. Over taking is incredibly difficult on street circuits and that will turn most people away from it.

Re: Formula E

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post #2

Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring. By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation. > During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180…

>> "In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring." Not true at all. If the cars were practically identical Red Bull wouldn't be running away with the championship every year. As important as the drivers are in F1 the car is much more important. >> "Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated" Without some of those restrictions most of…

I agree. Maybe the only real limitation should be how much a team can spend per year, a 'team cap'.

Re: Formula E

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring." Not true at all. If the cars were practically identical Red Bull wouldn't be running away with the championship every year. As important as the drivers are in F1 the car is much more important. >> "Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated" Without some of those restrictions most of…

I agree. Maybe the only real limitation should be how much a team can spend per year, a 'team cap'.

A money limit is very easy to workaround.

Re: Formula E

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post #2

Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring. By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation. > During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180…

>> "In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring." Not true at all. If the cars were practically identical Red Bull wouldn't be running away with the championship every year. As important as the drivers are in F1 the car is much more important. >> "Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated" Without some of those restrictions most of…

I don't think tyre strategy is all that interesting. To me Webber hopping Massa was far last interesting than Hamiltons duel with Raikkonen.

Re: Formula E

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Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring. By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation. > During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180…

Are you serious? When was the last time you watched a Formula 1 race?

It was boring because there weren't any restrictions, and so the best teams were so far ahead the races just became a procession. That and the high downforce setups being badly affected by running behind other cars, coupled with tires that didn't wear out much, made overtaking almost non existent.

In the last 6 seasons, we've had 4 championships decided on the last race, one of those on the very last corner, one with three drivers separated by a single point, one with 4 drivers a chance to win it going into the last race, and another twice having the championship decided by the equivalent of coming 5th instead of 3rd in a single race out of twenty. Not to mention more overtaking and wheel to wheel racing than the past 15 years combined, more world champions competing against each other than at any other point in history and a great mixture of old teams and new teams winning races (5 separate teams won races last season).

And yet, in spite of all that, if you think there isn't technological competition winning the races, you're dead wrong. What about the F-Duct, rear blown diffuser, or the double diffuser which almost single handedly won Brawn F1 both titles in its first and only year in existence? If all the cars are the same, how is the Red Bull six seconds per lap faster than the Caterham at Spa when they run exactly the same Renault engine? It has just changed focus to aerodynamics and car setup, rather than making a better engine.

Re: Formula E

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Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring. By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation. > During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180…

>> "In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring." Not true at all. If the cars were practically identical Red Bull wouldn't be running away with the championship every year. As important as the drivers are in F1 the car is much more important. >> "Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated" Without some of those restrictions most of…

Yes, there is plenty of brilliant technical innovations going on in Formula 1. The passive DRS that Lotus has experimenting with or the way the Red Bull uses a special material on the side skirts that bends when heated up by the exhaust air to improve downforce. Limitations is a great fuel for innovation. There is not very much going on in terms of engines in Formula 1 at the moment, but in aerodynamics it is still amazing what they are achieving.

Re: Formula E

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Original Formula 1 was ruined by restrictions on maximal engine performance, acceleration... even tyres are dictated. In result cars are practically identical and race is very boring. By reading article Formula E is going to have similar limitations. It is very sad, we just lost technological race where victory would be won by innovation. > During the race, the cars are forced into a power-saving mode of 133 kW (180…

Many of the F1 restrictions that have come in in recent years have been good and made the sport a lot more competitive, while still allowing for some individual character for each teams cars.

Prefer that to some of the uneven racing of the Schumacher era.

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