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Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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"I have in my pocket a cryptographic telephone" Anyone know what he is referring to? I'd like one of those.

I remember the German government paying some companies to develop telephones that communicate fully encrypted (and putting the required infrastructure to use them in place).

I think the outcome was 1000€ phones for use by Government officials, the chancellor, etc., who can choose between Blackberry and Android.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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"I have in my pocket a cryptographic telephone" Anyone know what he is referring to? I'd like one of those.

Andy Mueller-Maguhn is a long time member of the Chaos Computer Club in Germany, and a former spokesman. He is a specialist on surveillance, working in a journalistic capacity on the surveillance industry with his project wiki, buggedplanet.info. Andy works in cryptographic communications, and runs a company called Cryptophone, which markets secure voice communication devices to commercial clients.

http://www.cryptophone.de/en/company/

Re: Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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"I have in my pocket a cryptographic telephone" Anyone know what he is referring to? I'd like one of those.

I remember the German government paying some companies to develop telephones that communicate fully encrypted (and putting the required infrastructure to use them in place). I think the outcome was 1000€ phones for use by Government officials, the chancellor, etc., who can choose between Blackberry and Android.

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article119980213/Frankreichs-M...

nb: Thales is also known for supplying tools the other end too...

Re: Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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Everybody has a cryptographic telephone in their pocket. The problems are the cryptography is weak, the endpoints are insecure and people underestimate the value of traffic analysis.

Even if the cryptography were perfect the endpoints could still be listened in on and the latter would still be a huge problem.

Mobile phone encryption only works for the phone-to-tower part. Obviously what Appelbaum is referring to is a phone that does end-to-end encryption (still leaking some info but at least the contents of your conversation should be mostly safe), but people that are not capable of making this distinction will be wary of radio intercepts rather than wholesale line tapping.

It would be a funny thing if you needed a key-signing party before you could start to call people on the phone but it may come to that yet.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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Everybody has a cryptographic telephone in their pocket. The problems are the cryptography is weak, the endpoints are insecure and people underestimate the value of traffic analysis. Even if the cryptography were perfect the endpoints could still be listened in on and the latter would still be a huge problem. Mobile phone encryption only works for the phone-to-tower part. Obviously what Appelbaum is referring to is a…

It's all very do-able. Even carrier voice could be pulled up into userland code in LTE, and therefore could use open source strong encryption.

Social networks are the ideal medium to exchange keys and form and maintain a web-of-trust.

This does not fix traffic analysis, but it would blind Sauron's eye enough to make the current surveillance infrastructure so unreliable as to be useless.

What's needed is for one or two national governments to come to the conclusion that their own surveillance is so far behind the NSA that the only way to win is not to play the game and actually secure their nation's communications and sell this the way tax havens sold financial privacy.

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Everybody has a cryptographic telephone in their pocket. The problems are the cryptography is weak, the endpoints are insecure and people underestimate the value of traffic analysis. Even if the cryptography were perfect the endpoints could still be listened in on and the latter would still be a huge problem. Mobile phone encryption only works for the phone-to-tower part. Obviously what Appelbaum is referring to is a…

It's all very do-able. Even carrier voice could be pulled up into userland code in LTE, and therefore could use open source strong encryption. Social networks are the ideal medium to exchange keys and form and maintain a web-of-trust. This does not fix traffic analysis, but it would blind Sauron's eye enough to make the current surveillance infrastructure so unreliable as to be useless. What's needed is for one or tw…

> Social networks are the ideal medium to exchange keys and form and maintain a web-of-trust.

I can see some real problems with that method.

Re: Jacob Appelbaum at European Parliament: Privacy, security, spying issues

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"I have in my pocket a cryptographic telephone" Anyone know what he is referring to? I'd like one of those.

If you can't get one of those, you can try Moxie's RedPhone for Android:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri...

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