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Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

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Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

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"Microsoft wanted to converge desktop and tablet platforms..."

I always wonder why we imagine it is desirable to 'converge' the user interface for a device you carry in a pocket with that of a device that has two 30" monitors.

It is possible to play a violin like a cello but not very practical...

Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

#4
The problem is that they tried to merge desktop and tablet user experiences in the first place. The idea of having to perform a full context switch / screen jump to launch a new app is a weakness of tablets... not a strength that should be forced on PC users. The ability to have N applications on screen at once, and launch others without losing any visibility into current windows, is something they lost... that's the problem.

Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

#5
I don't get this start button hate. For all the benefits of having a permanent start bar I will happily sacrifice 13mm off the bottom of my screen that I would probably just use as white space anyway.

And I have had the option to auto-hide the start bar since... Win 95?(or was it earlier)

Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

#6
It's a great example of compromise vs. full-fledged.

Converging all users to the same UI is going to be a compromise; It won't be great for double-30"-monitor-powerusers, and it won't be great for 9" Tablet mobile users.

The only thing this improves marginally is how much code needs to be maintained, and considering the implications, i'd much rather have twice the code size, than inhibit my users ability to use my product efficiently, and make it more minimalist.

Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

#7
They should've gotten rid of Metro completely. Tablets and PC's are not meant to be mixed. The ideal size for a tablet is around 7"-8", while the ideal size for a laptop (for most people) is 13".

Here's hoping under the new CEO Windows 9 will be a true successor to Windows 7, instead of one to Windows 8.

Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

#8

I don't get this start button hate. For all the benefits of having a permanent start bar I will happily sacrifice 13mm off the bottom of my screen that I would probably just use as white space anyway. And I have had the option to auto-hide the start bar since... Win 95?(or was it earlier)

It's not that they got rid of the taskbar (it's still there on the Win8 desktop), it's that they took the button for the start menu off of it, and replaced it with a hot corner, and in Windows 8.1 they've put the button back.

Re: Microsoft shouldn't have reinstated the start button in Windows 8.1

#10

"Microsoft wanted to converge desktop and tablet platforms..." I always wonder why we imagine it is desirable to 'converge' the user interface for a device you carry in a pocket with that of a device that has two 30" monitors. It is possible to play a violin like a cello but not very practical...

I do want them converge. However, I dislike MS approach with separate incompatible software stores.

Ubuntu tablet seems to be the right way to do it.

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