Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by decklin » Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 10:49 PM UTC

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by the_cat_kittles » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 1:21 AM UTC

I think lots of people have this kind of revelation as they get a bit older. Glad you've found a new outlook that you like. I don't think you need to frame it as a revolution though.

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by JacksonGariety » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 1:33 AM UTC

This will take far too long.

Let's riot in the streets with weapons and convince the police to help us.

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by maxk42 » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 1:35 AM UTC

JacksonGariety wrote: post #3

This will take far too long. Let's riot in the streets with weapons and convince the police to help us.

History proves this is the most effective way to promote rapid change.

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by kaonashi » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 1:39 AM UTC

maxk42 wrote: post #4

JacksonGariety wrote: post #3

This will take far too long. Let's riot in the streets with weapons and convince the police to help us.

History proves this is the most effective way to promote rapid change.

Though not always the one you would have wanted.

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by eksith » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 1:45 AM UTC

maxk42 wrote: post #4

JacksonGariety wrote: post #3

This will take far too long. Let's riot in the streets with weapons and convince the police to help us.

History proves this is the most effective way to promote rapid change.

Change, yes. Though not always in the direction you expect. Or desire.

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 1:52 AM UTC

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #2

I think lots of people have this kind of revelation as they get a bit older. Glad you've found a new outlook that you like. I don't think you need to frame it as a revolution though.

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Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by chasing » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 2:23 AM UTC

So, wait, you're saying there's more to life than money?

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by zhemao » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 2:26 AM UTC

eksith wrote: post #6

maxk42 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History proves this is the most effective way to promote rapid change.

Change, yes. Though not always in the direction you expect. Or desire.

As Egypt has shown, this is the quickest way to replace one power-hungry sociopath with another.

Re: Let’s Start a Revolution

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Post by jacques_chester » Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 2:26 AM UTC

The base rate of positive outcomes from genuine revolutions is poor. Very poor. The American Revolution is an unusual exception which more closely resembled a standard war than the total dissolution of social order.

Think about what total dissolution of social order means.

It means that sociopaths and psychopaths are no longer making your life hell at work.

They are killing and torturing people. And the worst of the worst quickly rise to the top, because the sorting pool switches from "localised power structure" to "everywhere in this society".

The linked article isn't really about revolutions as such. The author has discovered that markets don't optimise for virtue, they optimise for value. Hayek has pointed out that this is why they work at all; if you try to impose outside virtues on markets they either distort or become actively dysfunctional. There are limits to what can be done to align the world we want to live in with the world we actually live in.

Beware the is/ought fallacy.