UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
openrightsgroup.org
UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
1–10 of 26 posts
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#2it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep their unjustifiable income... :/
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#3it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
The Internet Watch Foundation are the people who do the stuff about images of child sexual abuse (and criminally obscene images hosted in the UK, and non-photographic obscene images of children hosted in the UK).
ISPs tend to block content suggested by the IWF quickly, because it's in their best interests to do so. The IWF has a tight focus. Their clear about only wanting to keep the blocking they do separate from other forms of blocking - preventing children seeing adult content, for example. (http://www.iwf.org.uk/about-iwf/news/post/366-iwf-response-t...)
> We welcome the Prime Minister making the clear distinction between the fight against online child sexual abuse content and efforts to prevent legal material being viewed by those who are underage. It is critical that these debates are kept separate.
So it seems that the court blocks are only about forcing ISPs to block the Pirate Bay or Kickass Torrents and the various proxies used to evade those blocks.
The article supports this:
> Once a judge has decided that a website deserves to be blocked under Section 97A of the Copyright Act, each ISP is sent a court order describing the actions they must take to block the website. It specifies the kind of blocking to be undertaken. The court order contains other important information, including the name of the organisation responsible for mistakes and changes to the lists of clone sites to be blocked.
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#4it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
The Internet Watch Foundation are the people who do the stuff about images of child sexual abuse (and criminally obscene images hosted in the UK, and non-photographic obscene images of children hosted in the UK). ISPs tend to block content suggested by the IWF quickly, because it's in their best interests to do so. The IWF has a tight focus. Their clear about only wanting to keep the blocking they do separate from ot…
interesting. thanks for the info :)
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#5BT use cleanfeed. Imagine there's a problem with Cleanfeed, and BT need to "turn it off and on again" - they are not allowed to do so without the written permission of the studios, or without a Judge telling them that it's okay to do so.
(http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/...)
16 & 18.
> BT also requests the inclusion in the order of the following provision: "In the event that [BT] forms the reasonable view that for operational reasons relating either to the stability of its system or the functioning of the Cleanfeed system in respect of the IWF watch list it needs to shut down either Cleanfeed itself or the addition to the Cleanfeed system of IP addresses pursuant to [this order] on a temporary basis, [BT] shall not be in breach of this order by such shutting down provided that it applies to the Court as soon as is reasonably practicable but at any rate within 72 hours of such shutting down with an explanation as to why such action was necessary and the duration thereof."
> Instead, I will provide that BT will not be in breach of the order if it temporarily suspends the operation of either Cleanfeed or the addition of IP addresses or URLs with the written consent of the Studios or their agents. If such consent is not forthcoming, BT will have permission to apply to the court on notice. In cases of urgency, an application may be made on short (and informal) notice. For the avoidance of doubt, in cases of real urgency, BT will be entitled to apply to the court without seeking the Studios' consent first.
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#6it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
If someone clones all your employer's apps with all the in-app purchases and release everything for free and sales plummet, you're okay losing your job because you haven't grown up and adapted your business model, you disgustingly rich person with unjustifiable income, you? :)
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#7it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
Could you get a uk VPN and brute domain names looking for ISP holding pages?
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#8it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
Could you get a uk VPN and brute domain names looking for ISP holding pages?
How would you suggest we get a list of every domain name currently registered? And how would you suggest we identify blocked domains as opposed to redirected, offline, or similar? And how do you recommend we pay for the billions of comput' hour such a task would take?
So in other words: It isn't feasible.
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#9it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
Could you get a uk VPN and brute domain names looking for ISP holding pages?
Not really, not only would brute forcing take impractically long (you'd need all IP addresses as well as allocated domains), but the blocking system does individual pages within sites, which could not be found by this method.
Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders
#10it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…
If someone clones all your employer's apps with all the in-app purchases and release everything for free and sales plummet, you're okay losing your job because you haven't grown up and adapted your business model, you disgustingly rich person with unjustifiable income, you? :)
I understand your point of view, but this discussion is more about the transparency of the UK legal process than about the rights or wrongs of downloading.
The UK can be very opaque at times and it would be nice to see what is going on easily.
Edit: and to avoid collateral damage like [1] (shared hosting with 1 IP address)
[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/15/site_blocking_after_...