Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
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Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
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Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#2It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine:
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I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(P2P)
Screenshots: https://www.google.com/search?biw=1097&bih=609&tbm=isch&sa=1...
Basically, you dedicate some space on your hard drive to the program, which then stores chunks of unidentified files there and constantly uploads to other clients - it's true decentralized file storage with a degree of plausible deniability. You can search for files you want, and after you've downloaded them, you can vote on them to extend their lifespan or bury them.
It was a cool setup when I tried it back in '08 or so, giving off a very cyberpunk[2] feel with its anonymity/tripcodes, spartan plain-text-on-black-background UI, and the scrolling chatstream of Japanese comments (often with SJIS text art) posted by other users. In the end I didn't actually use it for anything, but it felt like a futuristic BBS.
It would be interesting to see a global equivalent emerge, maybe built upon bittorent DHTs/magnet links. Maybe one already has, e.g. on Tor?
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[1] The Japanese network security firm NetAgent announced last year that it was able to decrypt Perfect Dark's security and thus be able to compromise the anonymity of the network. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-10/2nd-man-arre...
[2] Considering that PD v1.02 is codenamed "Stand Alone Complex", a reference to the fictional emergent phenomenon of stand-alone individuals spontaneously acting in concert without coordination (coined by the Ghost in the Shell TV anime), its cyberpunk inspirations are quite evident.
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#3It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…
Freenet is a similar global equivalent, but less popular and seemingly much less focused on copyright infringement.
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#4It looks like a great app and something I'd use (though the majority of content available likely to be Japanese?).
The only other down-side I can see off the bat is that it runs only on Windows machines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_(P2P)
Anyone aware of an OSX version?
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#5It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…
BitTorrent over I2P exists (and is popular). A torrent client is bundled out of the box. A custom spec exists for this also[1].
As for Tor.. Tor and BitTorrent do not mix; the bandwidth is not available (BitTorrent chokes Tor relays due to model used between them) as well as the amount of data which can be pushed overall. For the most part (though this would not be relevant to a formal BitTorrent over Tor design), BitTorrent is not anonymous as most intend over Tor[2].
[1] http://www.i2p2.de/bittorrent.html
[2] https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-go...
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#6It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…
Why don't these P2P apps store the file chunks in your hard drive's free space? The fact that commands like `shred` exist means that you can readily read/write from it, and your OS will automatically overwrite the cache contents when you need to use space (and it doesn't matter because P2P networks are fault tolerant anyway).
That way users don't have to face the idea of "giving up" their disk space to be part of the network.
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#7It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…
> It would be interesting to see a global equivalent emerge, maybe built upon bittorent DHTs/magnet links. Maybe one already has, e.g. on Tor?
GNUNet [1] is very similar in technology to Perfect Dark (at least from what I can tell based on the description in the linked article). I'd even think that the design of Perfect Dark is based on the same research that GNUNet is based on. See for example [2].
[2] https://gnunet.org/svn/GNUnet-docs/WWW/download/ecrs.pdf
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#8It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…
BitTorrent over I2P exists (and is popular). A torrent client is bundled out of the box. A custom spec exists for this also[1]. As for Tor.. Tor and BitTorrent do not mix; the bandwidth is not available (BitTorrent chokes Tor relays due to model used between them) as well as the amount of data which can be pushed overall. For the most part (though this would not be relevant to a formal BitTorrent over Tor design), Bi…
AFAIR Bittorrent transmits IP-addresses in plaintext and thus hurts the privacy of any Tor-node that runs a BitTorrent client over Tor:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/not-anonymous-att...
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
BitTorrent over I2P exists (and is popular). A torrent client is bundled out of the box. A custom spec exists for this also[1]. As for Tor.. Tor and BitTorrent do not mix; the bandwidth is not available (BitTorrent chokes Tor relays due to model used between them) as well as the amount of data which can be pushed overall. For the most part (though this would not be relevant to a formal BitTorrent over Tor design), Bi…
AFAIR Bittorrent transmits IP-addresses in plaintext and thus hurts the privacy of any Tor-node that runs a BitTorrent client over Tor: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/not-anonymous-att...
It does not hurt any nodes used for the connection's anonymity, it does hurt their connectivity and performance. Tor nodes are publicly known and are not the same as Tor users. One of the many problems of BitTorrent or any high bandwidth application over Tor is the lack of capacity in the network (but there are others, as mentioned in my previous comment).
BitTorrent has to provide an IP address; it is part of the protocol. The issue is that some, most clients even if configured to use Tor will leak the true IP address of the user and not use a Tor exit's IP. Not good in any case.
Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)
#10It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…
Both Freenet and GNUnet were released years before Perfect Dark, so the name is probably a reference to all three being "darknets". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_%28file_sharing%29