Take the Orwell Test

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Post by iSimone » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:36 PM UTC

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by iSimone » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:41 PM UTC

This is a small awareness minisite that we built to educate visitors in the simplest possible way about what behavior usually requires you to maintain a privacy policy on your site (and how we can help fixing that gap).

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by sysroot » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:44 PM UTC

They are talking about privacy and supports only log-in with facebook (under openid), WTF?

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by Facens » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

sysroot wrote: post #3

They are talking about privacy and supports only log-in with facebook (under openid), WTF?

You can also sign up without facebook! :)

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by throwaway2048 » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

I really fail to see how having a privacy policy is any protection against prism or data collections abuse. especially considering 95% of them have clauses that state in effect, "we and our partners can do anything we want with your data".

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:48 PM UTC

sysroot wrote: post #3

They are talking about privacy and supports only log-in with facebook (under openid), WTF?

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Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by agravier » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:52 PM UTC

iSimone wrote: post #2

This is a small awareness minisite that we built to educate visitors in the simplest possible way about what behavior usually requires you to maintain a privacy policy on your site (and how we can help fixing that gap).

Why do I need a privacy policy for a personal website using basic Google analytics? (That's what your minisite suggests.) I don't have customers, only visitors, there is no contract.

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by hermanhermitage » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:56 PM UTC

throwaway2048 wrote: post #5

I really fail to see how having a privacy policy is any protection against prism or data collections abuse. especially considering 95% of them have clauses that state in effect, "we and our partners can do anything we want with your data".

The whole 'privacy policy' thing is a an fantasy that simply doesn't exist in international law. Its two words that provide the illusion of following some process of decency without any obligations whatsoever.

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by iSimone » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 1:59 PM UTC

agravier wrote: post #7

iSimone wrote: post #2

This is a small awareness minisite that we built to educate visitors in the simplest possible way about what behavior usually requires you to maintain a privacy policy on your site (and how we can help fixing that gap).

Why do I need a privacy policy for a personal website using basic Google analytics? (That's what your minisite suggests.) I don't have customers, only visitors, there is no contract.

Hey, yeah there are two things regarding Google Analytics,

First it's in Google's terms, have a quick look here there's an interesting write up regarding this topic that covers it better than I could here in this short amount of time: http://searchengineland.com/how-many-google-privacy-policies...

Secondly GA collects personal data from your users which in most legislations means that you need to inform users about that fact (most notoriously Europe).

Re: Take the Orwell Test

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Post by Facens » Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 2:01 PM UTC

throwaway2048 wrote: post #5

I really fail to see how having a privacy policy is any protection against prism or data collections abuse. especially considering 95% of them have clauses that state in effect, "we and our partners can do anything we want with your data".

That's exactly what we try to avoid, because not only "doing anything we want with users data" is wrong, but also because it's not legal in most countries. Forcing website owners to inform their users precisely, other than being a legal duty, is how you use transparency to to ensure that users' rights are respected. The moment we forget about informing users and pretending to be informed is the same we start forgetting about privacy rights, and that subtly and slowly leads to huge privacy violations like the whole PRISM shame.

I know that we're still selling stuff, but our hope is to do something good along the way, and a world with more privacy information is surely a better one :)