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Bolivian Leader's Plane Rerouted on Snowden Fear

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I am really surprised at how great the gap has become between the US Government's rhetoric and actual policy on human rights, foreign policy and government transparency.

I just hope that Americans realise this and demand change sooner than later.

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It's terrifying how far European "leaders" are willing to go to suck up to the US Government.

Oh, our governments here in Portugal never needed much to suck up to everyone else. The US, Britain, Germany, Angola, Gaddafi's Libya, you name it - they say jump, we ask "how high?"

During the Azores summit, while Bush, Blair and Aznar discussed the Iraq invasion, our PM (Barroso - yeah, the guy from the EU) was more than happy to be their busboy and serve drinks while the Great Leaders talked.

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Can anyone think of another time this has ever happened? Two countries denying airspace to an official transport from a third country with no existing war or conflict involved? Bonus points if the head of state is onboard, but I'll accept other examples with only lesser officials involved.

It's absolutely shocking.

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post #2

It's terrifying how far European "leaders" are willing to go to suck up to the US Government.

Oh, our governments here in Portugal never needed much to suck up to everyone else. The US, Britain, Germany, Angola, Gaddafi's Libya, you name it - they say jump, we ask "how high?" During the Azores summit, while Bush, Blair and Aznar discussed the Iraq invasion, our PM (Barroso - yeah, the guy from the EU) was more than happy to be their busboy and serve drinks while the Great Leaders talked.

Remind me of some classic RATM Bullet In The Head lyrics:

Just victims of the in-house drive-by They say jump, you say how high Just victims of the in-house drive-by They say jump, you say how high...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkIXPSWjmsk

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post #5

I am really surprised at how great the gap has become between the US Government's rhetoric and actual policy on human rights, foreign policy and government transparency. I just hope that Americans realise this and demand change sooner than later.

Don't count on it. Xyz show or game is on...

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The ability of the US government to bend other governments in a certain direction, is like a leak in and of itself, as I surely did not expect so many governments, including mine in germany, to be this intimidated by the US powerhouse.

I read a Crooked Timber thread recently comparing the US's treatment of Latin America to the Soviet Union's treatment of the Warsaw Pact. The world made slightly more sense after that.

The US is intimidating. It has made all non-democratic forms of government illegitimate by waging wars of extermination against them, it is a quarter of the world economy by itself, its military black budget is almost certainly larger than anyone else's open budget and its open budget is greater than the rest of the world's military budget summed.

The US is the global hegemon. Russia, China and maybe Iran are independent of it. The US does not truly view the rest of the world as sovereigns but as subjects.

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