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Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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> "On the contrary, it seems quite likely that others should be paying more."

Not that have knowledge of royalty proportionality, but it also seems unfair to have royalty costs dwarf any other business costs. I have no idea how much it costs Pandora to stream a song, but if it's a fraction of the ~$0.0012/listen they seem to pay in royalties, it seems like the royalty is disproportionate and unfair. On the other hand, if the royalty is more than ~2 orders of magnitude less than cost to stream a song, then maybe there is an argument that it's too low.

(of course the above is assuming you agree with royalties at all.)

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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> "On the contrary, it seems quite likely that others should be paying more." Not that have knowledge of royalty proportionality, but it also seems unfair to have royalty costs dwarf any other business costs. I have no idea how much it costs Pandora to stream a song, but if it's a fraction of the ~$0.0012/listen they seem to pay in royalties, it seems like the royalty is disproportionate and unfair. On the other hand…

Why do you think other business costs are pertinent to royalty rates at all?

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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Its easy to complain about the low pandora royalties, but these artists are essentially trying to kill the golden goose. Pandora currently spends > 50% of revenue on royalties. Any increases would almost certainly lead to the end of the company. $0 is a lot less than $1,300 for 1 million plays.

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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> "On the contrary, it seems quite likely that others should be paying more." Not that have knowledge of royalty proportionality, but it also seems unfair to have royalty costs dwarf any other business costs. I have no idea how much it costs Pandora to stream a song, but if it's a fraction of the ~$0.0012/listen they seem to pay in royalties, it seems like the royalty is disproportionate and unfair. On the other hand…

I'm sorry, but what you are writing here is incoherent. If what you were suggesting made any sense, as Pandora lowers their infrastructure costs and overhead, so too would the royalty payment go down, and all the profit would go to Pandora only. The one has nothing to do with the other.

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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post #5

Its easy to complain about the low pandora royalties, but these artists are essentially trying to kill the golden goose. Pandora currently spends > 50% of revenue on royalties. Any increases would almost certainly lead to the end of the company. $0 is a lot less than $1,300 for 1 million plays.

That's a really shitty golden goose.

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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Considering that I have bought several CDs because I heard them on Pandora, I am sure everyone is getting money, but it usually is never enough. I don't know what exactly the cost of running a Pandora company means financially, but with all the upgraded, changes, improvements I expect from it, they definitely need money to pay the developers, so that we, the listener can love the music and buy the albums, which I would think is what the artist ultimately wants.

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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post #8

Considering that I have bought several CDs because I heard them on Pandora, I am sure everyone is getting money, but it usually is never enough. I don't know what exactly the cost of running a Pandora company means financially, but with all the upgraded, changes, improvements I expect from it, they definitely need money to pay the developers, so that we, the listener can love the music and buy the albums, which I wou…

Every couple of months, I visit my Pandora profile, go through songs I have liked since my last splurge, and just click the "Buy on Amazon" links all the way down.

Re: Pandora Paid Over $1,300 for 1 Million Plays

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> "On the contrary, it seems quite likely that others should be paying more." Not that have knowledge of royalty proportionality, but it also seems unfair to have royalty costs dwarf any other business costs. I have no idea how much it costs Pandora to stream a song, but if it's a fraction of the ~$0.0012/listen they seem to pay in royalties, it seems like the royalty is disproportionate and unfair. On the other hand…

Why do you think other business costs are pertinent to royalty rates at all?

One way they would be pertinent would be if the royalty rates are the reason the business is unsustainable, then the question arises if the goal is to have other folks hear the music or not.

So there is a cost to deliver songs (servers, bandwidth, devops, engineering) which is analogous to the old radio days of the engineer, power, transmitter, tower maintenance, etc. And there is the revenue from advertising and/or subscriptions. And there is the royalty rate.

If you are managing your on-going costs to a minimum, your ability to sell advertising/subscriptions is a market thing (people will or won't buy the service based on the perceived value to them) and then your royalties come out of that.

How would make an argument that royalty rates aren't pertinent?

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