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Re: What is Happening in Brazil

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Post by _delirium »

A somewhat different analysis of the current situation, reaching quite different conclusions:

http://frombrazil.blogfolha.uol.com.br/2013/06/21/sao-paulo-...

I hadn't seen until I read that that the original organizers of the protest, the MPL, have actually pulled out and denounced some of the current protestors due to them being coopted by right-wing groups.

The blog post linked here makes a curious comment about "corruption... especially after the fall of the military regime". I'm not 100% sure if this is intended as a dog-whistle comment to the right, but it's a common sort of discourse among the right-wing, to excuse the dictatorship or even call for a new one by using corruption as the opening, since allegedly the dictatorship, for all its faults, was clean and got the trains running on time etc.

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Post by Uperte »

Quote from prosecutor's FB according to this blog post: “I’m trying to get home for the past two hours, but I can’t because there’s some protesters blocking off traffic […] please, somebody tell the police that this area is under the jurisdiction of my court and, if any of them kill a protester, I’ll just archive the case”. Scary!

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Post by superflit »

The Left started the protests to attack the gov. of Sao Paulo one of largest city in Brazil that is in the hands of 'right' wing. After the middle class joined the protest things changed because the middle class only see political 'right' or 'left' as:

which hand is stealing? If it is 'center' is both...

As the protest backfired agains the left and the president (left too) they are trying to get over the protest..

But it is a long way to put all sardines back in the can.

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Post by tomjen3 »

Regardless of who started it, attacking peaceful demonstrators and journalists with that much tear gas is just wrong. When you add that those they attacked where chanting no violence and where running away, the police should have done nothing at all.

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Post by natermer »

_delirium wrote: post #2

A somewhat different analysis of the current situation, reaching quite different conclusions: http://frombrazil.blogfolha.uol.com.br/2013/06/21/sao-paulo-... I hadn't seen until I read that that the original organizers of the protest, the MPL, have actually pulled out and denounced some of the current protestors due to them being coopted by right-wing groups. The blog post linked here makes a curious comment about "c…

Your link isn't working for some reason.

Keep in mind that it's common for governments and other political organizations to insert agitators for the purposes of attempting to discredit or change the message of a protest. Happens very frequently.

Also there is a large contingent of people that just like rioting. IE: "Now could be your only chance to torch a police car"

Re: What is Happening in Brazil

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Post by throwaway395748 »

This has been a very depressing week. Regardless of the many fair causes being taken by the protesters to the street, as a Brazilian living in São Paulo, I was worried since the beginning that the whole thing would turn into the mess we can see now. And while I sympathize what many of these causes, the lack of a proper, unified list of demands makes the whole thing completely worthless in the best case, and quite dangerous in the worst.

On the bright side, it was funny the watch the national and foreign media trying to understand what was going on. And then my own friends and coworkers who supported the whole thing trying to explain what they thought it was about (each one with a different explanation).

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Post by sambeau »

I was reading the European Convention on Human Rights recently and I was surprised to see that Article 2 explicitly allows for states to kill people to quell rioting or insurrection:

  Article 2 – Right to life
  :
  2. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this 
     article when it results from the use of force which is no more than 
     absolutely necessary:
     :
    c. in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_2_of_the_European_Conve...

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Post by angersock »

Uperte wrote: post #3

Quote from prosecutor's FB according to this blog post: “I’m trying to get home for the past two hours, but I can’t because there’s some protesters blocking off traffic […] please, somebody tell the police that this area is under the jurisdiction of my court and, if any of them kill a protester, I’ll just archive the case”. Scary!

Yep.

I understand this as a humorous remark, no doubt, but there are certain positions of power from which I do not appreciate joking.

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