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Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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That’s my line. It isn’t a balanced life, but historically, it gives me the best chance to succeed. And since I’m going for a home run, that’s the line I need to walk.

I guess the important question to answer is: why are you going for a "home run"?

Is it because your life-consuming ambition, the only way you'll ever feel accomplished, is by having a bank account with a LOT of digits in it?

Is it because you have a burning ambition to change the world in a massive way via technology, like Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg, and you just don't see any way to do it other than building a mega-company?

Or is it because you're letting your environment and peer pressure dictate that a home run is what you should want, even though what you really want is financial independence so you can spend more time reading books, travelling, and painting watercolours?

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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"But there’s different classes of success."

Two tips for life:

Never ever let anyone else define what success means to you.

Never be arrogant enough to attempt to define what success means for other people.

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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I've been at the office until the wee hours of the morning.

I don't know how people can still write coherent code at that point. My mind starts tripping under its own weight at the four-five hour mark. I usually can't make it past 2 or 3 hours without a break. Those times when I was hacking away like I was doing something so important that the world just couldn't wait for it... well I'm pretty sure I was at that office so late simply fixing the stupid mistakes I was making just hours before because I was too bleary-eyed, tired, uncomfortable, and frustrated to be effectively working.

In a few years you may or may not realize that there's more to life and that you won't get your youth back.

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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post #2

That’s my line. It isn’t a balanced life, but historically, it gives me the best chance to succeed. And since I’m going for a home run, that’s the line I need to walk. I guess the important question to answer is: why are you going for a "home run"? Is it because your life-consuming ambition, the only way you'll ever feel accomplished, is by having a bank account with a LOT of digits in it? Is it because you have a bu…

Spot on with "Why are you going for a 'home run'?" as being the most important question. Is it money? You want a challenge? Happiness?

Article below is a nice piece on why happiness = success:

http://hermannk.com/happiness-success/

I love the quote from Dave Greiner - " These days, my idea of success is a well-managed balance between time with people I love and a project I’m deeply passionate about. Right now, that’s Campaign Monitor. Time spent with each one of these has a huge impact on how much I enjoy the other. When I get that balance right, I’m at my happiest. And in the end, isn’t that what success is all about?"

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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I can work 70 hours a week consistently and be fine.

I found myself disagreeing with the article until I read this. 70 hours a week seems like a decent number for an early-days startup. That's probably somewhere around my upper bound as well (maybe just a bit above it).

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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The people who advocate "balls to the wall" practices and "not making it home for dinner every night" scare me.

When it's all said and done, and you're ready to leave this world, what are you going to think about? Who are you going to want by your side? What are you going to care about?

If it's all the amazing startups you created, or the enormous sums of money you made, or the years of never making it home for dinner to see your wife/husband/kids/dog/whoever, then you're on the right track.

But if at the end of the day, life means more to you than ferociously competing to see who can work more hours in a week, why the hell are you doing this?

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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I appreciate the gesture of being a devil's advocate to the work-life balance posts but the hyperbole of "9am-5am" is hurting your case, you're giving others a straw man to argue against.

A 70 hour work week is not actually that unreasonable. You wake up at 8AM, get to work by 9AM, work until 7PM, and then head out with another 5 hours still before you need to go to sleep and still get a solid 8 hours of rest. Do that 7 days a week and you have 70 hours. As long as you're actively fighting burnout by using those 5 hours to exercise, hang out with friends, or otherwise get your head out of your startup, it can be a healthy lifestyle.

I think it's important that we get rid of this false dichotomy between working hard and having a work/life balance. I think the author is right that the only way you can increase your odds of success is to consistently work harder, that formula has never failed me my entire life. But burnout prevents you from doing that consistently so balance is needed even in a 70 hour work week, and if you sanitize the hyperbole you'll find that's pretty doable.

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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post #7

The people who advocate "balls to the wall" practices and "not making it home for dinner every night" scare me. When it's all said and done, and you're ready to leave this world, what are you going to think about? Who are you going to want by your side? What are you going to care about? If it's all the amazing startups you created, or the enormous sums of money you made, or the years of never making it home for dinne…

Agreed. I suspect there are very few people that lie on their deathbeds and wish they spent more time at work.

Re: Work Hard and Play Just Enough

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As someone who just took the plunge and started my own company I have thought about this a lot lately. What we have started to do is go on temporary relocations as a team (there are only 3 of us), and do our work from different cities. Our home base is Chicago, but we just spent a week working in SF. Allows us to keep working longer hours and stay sane at the same time.
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