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California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

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Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#2
Are paper maps illegal too? What about having someone in the passenger seat check the map and then tell me what to do? Can they hold the phone in front of my face for me so I can see the map?

I honestly just wish they'd settle for a simple, concrete description of what's acceptable while driving and what isn't. Like, you must always keep your eyes on the road, or you must always have both hands on the wheel, or whatever. Of course, this would have collateral damage - reaching over to change the radio station becomes illegal. But that's a distraction too, isn't it?

I think about this occasionally since I use my phone to play music in the car. When I reach over to tap 'next track' on the incredibly broken Bluetooth hands-free kit (that CA law requires me to have) to change tracks, I'm technically distracted. Is it any different from reaching over and tapping the next track button on my phone? If anything, it's more distracting because Bluetooth (at least for cars) is a complete nonfunctional clusterfuck of a spec that never, ever works right and when it breaks in new and exciting ways I end up more distracted than I would have been if I just tapped a button on my phone's screen.

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#4
I guess this invalidates what I've been used to for the last 4 years about using phone mapping. [1] I've always wondered what would happen if a police officer thought you were texting but you were actually using a GPS, or changing a song on your iPod (does it matter if it has cellular connection or not?) Presumably we would need to exclude dash-mounted or built-in GPS manipulation as well. This makes everything with phone use more consistent (and restrictive), which may be the right thing to do.

[1] http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/12/illegal-a...

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#5

Are paper maps illegal too? What about having someone in the passenger seat check the map and then tell me what to do? Can they hold the phone in front of my face for me so I can see the map? I honestly just wish they'd settle for a simple, concrete description of what's acceptable while driving and what isn't. Like, you must always keep your eyes on the road, or you must always have both hands on the wheel, or whate…

You shouldn't be looking away or tempted to do so. As a bicycle rider I'd appreciate it.

You know darn well you study a map far more and require far more brain distraction checking the screen than hitting the next button on your media player.

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

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post #4

I guess this invalidates what I've been used to for the last 4 years about using phone mapping. [1] I've always wondered what would happen if a police officer thought you were texting but you were actually using a GPS, or changing a song on your iPod (does it matter if it has cellular connection or not?) Presumably we would need to exclude dash-mounted or built-in GPS manipulation as well. This makes everything with…

I was pulled over for this exact reason in CA. I went to court, showed cell phone logs that I had not made or received any calls or texts, and the case was dismissed. The judge said specifically that "I'm not convinced that using maps is any less dangerous than texting, but I have to rule as a matter of law that if you were not communicating with anyone, then it is not illegal." Apparently angry birds would have been okay too.

(note that this happened in 2012, before the ruling in this article)

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#7

Just ban "reckless driving" and be done with it. Oh wait.

I think the idea is to prevent the reckless behavior before it becomes reckless driving, the same way that drunk driving is illegal even if you're not driving recklessly. For example, if you get pulled over for a busted tail light and the officer smells alcohol, you're going to jail.

Not saying I agree with it, just trying to expound on their logic.

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#8
They're not going to be able to legislate safe driving. Drivers are oblivious to the danger they wield with two-ton blocks of steel. It's not just distractions, it's a total lack of care.

Piling on more conditions and limitations on phone usage will create further contempt for these laws. Light-up road signs that threaten fines as consequence -- ignoring the dangerous consequence of distraction -- don't help.

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#9
The only way forward to a sane future is to ban all humans driving all cars. Increase funding and scale of self-driving car efforts to get them on the road as quickly (and safely) as possible, then ban all the humans. I can see no other reasonable end to this insanity. 30,000 to 40,000 Americans die every year in car accidents that are pretty much all human error. Ban the human drivers.

Re: California Court Bans Checking Smartphone Maps While Driving

#10

Just ban "reckless driving" and be done with it. Oh wait.

I think the idea is to prevent the reckless behavior before it becomes reckless driving, the same way that drunk driving is illegal even if you're not driving recklessly. For example, if you get pulled over for a busted tail light and the officer smells alcohol, you're going to jail. Not saying I agree with it, just trying to expound on their logic.

Plus, it's something that the state can theoretically prove even if no one was there to witness the reckless driving. And even if there was a witness, witness testimony is almost comically unreliable.
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