Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by xentac » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 1:07 AM UTC

Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement
mail.python.org

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by metachris » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 1:30 AM UTC

This is very good news indeed -- life will be easier for lots of Python-based projects, with the distribute changes merged into setuptools!

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by dechols » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 4:10 AM UTC

So what does this mean for those of us who have made the jump to Distribute? Do we now jump back to Setuptools in a year or something?

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by ballard » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 4:13 AM UTC

What are the pros and cons, obvious and less so, of including pip as well?

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by SafdarIqbal » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 4:46 AM UTC

Can someone here point to a good article (or a couple of articles, for that matter) explaining the history of Python packaging and the "new way of doing things"?

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by pyre » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 5:30 AM UTC

SafdarIqbal wrote: post #5

Can someone here point to a good article (or a couple of articles, for that matter) explaining the history of Python packaging and the "new way of doing things"?

Here's a start:

http://pyvideo.org/video/1601/twisted-history-of-python-pack...

Note: Speaker is one of the devs behind PyCoders Weekly

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by pyre » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 5:35 AM UTC

dechols wrote: post #3

So what does this mean for those of us who have made the jump to Distribute? Do we now jump back to Setuptools in a year or something?

  | and phasing out the distribute fork as soon as
  | is practical

I'm guessing there will at least be an 'end date' where it'll be officially deprecated.

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by chubot » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 5:54 AM UTC

SafdarIqbal wrote: post #5

Can someone here point to a good article (or a couple of articles, for that matter) explaining the history of Python packaging and the "new way of doing things"?

This article has some good history: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by pekk » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 3:29 PM UTC

metachris wrote: post #2

This is very good news indeed -- life will be easier for lots of Python-based projects, with the distribute changes merged into setuptools!

This isn't good news because it means we are going to be suffering along with setuptools even longer, which is substantially the cause of all the packaging pain in Python.

If it made sense to reject distutils2 as having too much cruft, it makes even less sense to accept setuptools which will be even cruftier and provide an eternal excuse not to switch to anything better

It certainly wasn't ever the problem that "distribute is not enough like setuptools" which is all this should "solve".

Re: Setuptools-Distribute merge announcement

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Post by metachris » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:54 PM UTC

pekk wrote: post #9

metachris wrote: post #2

This is very good news indeed -- life will be easier for lots of Python-based projects, with the distribute changes merged into setuptools!

This isn't good news because it means we are going to be suffering along with setuptools even longer, which is substantially the cause of all the packaging pain in Python. If it made sense to reject distutils2 as having too much cruft, it makes even less sense to accept setuptools which will be even cruftier and provide an eternal excuse not to switch to anything better It certainly wasn't ever the problem that "dist…

I was not saying "distribute is not enough like setuptools", but rather meant I'm glad the author of distribute is taking over setuptools, with the maintainer of setuptools 'retiring'.