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Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by tjbarbour »

It's good to see FogCreek being practical and adding in Git support, based on how strong they were pushing for Mercurial before (Joel even had an online training[0]) I wouldn't have guessed they would ever switch to Git, but as Joel said "Religious war: averted." I wish more software would mitigate these debates with solutions like this, but its often not that easy.

This seems like a cool solution, I don't know if any of the other big providers are doing synchronized repos, do other similar solutions exist?

[0]http://hginit.com/

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by j_s »

This Kiln ad/blog post conveniently dances around how GitHub also does the same 'corporate things'.

All version control systems have to support Git these days or they are headed for irrelevance.

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by famousactress »

tjbarbour wrote: post #2

It's good to see FogCreek being practical and adding in Git support, based on how strong they were pushing for Mercurial before (Joel even had an online training[0]) I wouldn't have guessed they would ever switch to Git, but as Joel said "Religious war: averted." I wish more software would mitigate these debates with solutions like this, but its often not that easy. This seems like a cool solution, I don't know if an…

Devil's advocating, but I worry about solutions like this. Abstractions leak, and if abstractions like this get traction they splinter tools' abilities to do useful things. I imagine there are corner cases where git/hg dissonance is high and wonder if this leads to a situation where we all have to care about whether a backend is capable of 'full git' or 'hg-compatible git'.

There are places where this is valuable enough to be worthwhile (say.. ANSI SQL and related high-level-language database agnostic libraries). I'm not convinced source control is one of those places.

For fogcreek, they bet the farm on hg and are presumably seeing an opportunity cost to that decision that this mitigates. This makes loads of sense for them. I'm not convinced it's all that awesome for the rest of us, or for either the hg or git user bases as a whole.

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by atirip »

j_s wrote: post #3

This Kiln ad/blog post conveniently dances around how GitHub also does the same 'corporate things'. All version control systems have to support Git these days or they are headed for irrelevance.

Hmm, if i did say that all browsers have to run on Webkit these days or...

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by j_s »

tjbarbour wrote: post #2

It's good to see FogCreek being practical and adding in Git support, based on how strong they were pushing for Mercurial before (Joel even had an online training[0]) I wouldn't have guessed they would ever switch to Git, but as Joel said "Religious war: averted." I wish more software would mitigate these debates with solutions like this, but its often not that easy. This seems like a cool solution, I don't know if an…

http://www.plasticscm.com/features/lockin2.aspx

  > Plastic SCM [...] developed an importer that supports the fast-import 
  > format introduced by Git and widely used to migrate from other systems
Most source control systems assume a one-time import because they are so awesome there's no doubt you'll want to keep your code there forever, but the trend is to support at least Git semi-synchronously.

http://codicesoftware.blogspot.com/2013/01/using-plastic-scm...

http://www.perforce.com/git-fusion

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/bharry/archive/2012/08/13/announcing...

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by j_s »

atirip wrote: post #5
j_s wrote: post #3

This Kiln ad/blog post conveniently dances around how GitHub also does the same 'corporate things'. All version control systems have to support Git these days or they are headed for irrelevance.

Hmm, if i did say that all browsers have to run on Webkit these days or...

Getting sidetracked here, but for a real-life example: mobile Firefox pretending to be Webkit enough to fool certain sites.

http://alistapart.com/article/the-vendor-prefix-predicament-...

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by j_s »

corresation wrote: post #6

It has to somewhat hurt that Microsoft just released and is rapidly improving some quite decent Git support in Visual Studio (and on the server side, Team Foundation Server).

Pardon my ignorance, but Microsoft supporting Git server-side is only if they host it for you at http://tfs.visualstudio.com/, correct?

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GitSupportForVisualStudioGitTF...

  > choose either Git or Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC) as the source provider
[edit: technically also at CodePlex]

Re: Town Car Version Control

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Post by corresation »

j_s wrote: post #9
corresation wrote: post #6

It has to somewhat hurt that Microsoft just released and is rapidly improving some quite decent Git support in Visual Studio (and on the server side, Team Foundation Server).

Pardon my ignorance, but Microsoft supporting Git server-side is only if they host it for you at http://tfs.visualstudio.com/ , correct? http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GitSupportForVisualStudioGitTF... > choose either Git or Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC) as the source provider [edit: technically also at CodePlex]

Indeed, right now Team Foundation Service (the hosted version) has Git support, however they have promised upcoming support for Team Foundation Server the self-hosted install.
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