Zurb Launches Foundation 4

Personally, my main reason for using Foundation over Bootstrap is that it's not Bootstrap, meaning for side projects and demo sites I can leave the default styles without people complaining about "another Bootstrap site".

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by michaelbuckbee » Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 8:36 PM UTC

wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

In general Foundation is considered smaller and lighter than Bootstrap, many devs also prefer its use of SASS instead of LESS (which is the Bootstrap default css pre-processor).

There is also a smaller community around Foundation, which is good and bad: there isn't the massive third party ecosystem that Bootstrap has [1] but on the flip side many feel that Foundation sites don't look so 'Bootstrappy'.

I'm really invested in Bootstrap, but I'm stoked that more and more people are using front-end frameworks as they pretty much across the board improve developer productivity and make sites better/more usable.

1 - http://www.bootstraphero.com/the-big-badass-list-of-twitter-...

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by tptacek » Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 8:36 PM UTC

mcrittenden wrote: post #4

wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

Features and functionality wise they're pretty much at the same level. Foundation uses Sass instead of Less so that is a pro to some people. Personally, my main reason for using Foundation over Bootstrap is that it's not Bootstrap, meaning for side projects and demo sites I can leave the default styles without people complaining about "another Bootstrap site".

Maybe you should play around with Bootstrap a bit more just so you can learn not to care when people snark about "another Bootstrap site", because nobody who's really ready to spend money to have a computer solve one of their problems cares (or likely even groks) what web framework you used.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by Kerrick » Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 8:37 PM UTC

mcrittenden wrote: post #4

wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

Features and functionality wise they're pretty much at the same level. Foundation uses Sass instead of Less so that is a pro to some people. Personally, my main reason for using Foundation over Bootstrap is that it's not Bootstrap, meaning for side projects and demo sites I can leave the default styles without people complaining about "another Bootstrap site".

That was true for Foundation 3, but Foundation 4 is changing the game a bit. ZURB now seems to be focusing more on Mobile-First than Bootstrap: between media queries expanding the mobile site for desktops (rather than slimming the desktop site for mobiles) and switching to Zepto.js by default,which forgoes all Internet Explorer compatibility (though you can switch back to jQuery no problem), Foundation and Bootstrap seem to be diverging.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by davidw » Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 8:40 PM UTC

wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

There isn't one as far as I can tell. We picked Zurb for a site I was working on, and subsequently switched to Bootstrap, since that's where all the momentum (themes, plugins, etc...) seems to be. Zurb is high quality stuff, but Bootstrap is good too, with more weight behind it - for now, at least.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by mcrittenden » Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 8:41 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #6

mcrittenden wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Features and functionality wise they're pretty much at the same level. Foundation uses Sass instead of Less so that is a pro to some people. Personally, my main reason for using Foundation over Bootstrap is that it's not Bootstrap, meaning for side projects and demo sites I can leave the default styles without people complaining about "another Bootstrap site".

Maybe you should play around with Bootstrap a bit more just so you can learn not to care when people snark about "another Bootstrap site", because nobody who's really ready to spend money to have a computer solve one of their problems cares (or likely even groks) what web framework you used.

Agreed. I'm not talking about startups or things I want money for. I'm talking about random 1-off side projects built for other tech-savvy people or open source projects.

For example, I launched http://toogl.es recently on Foundation and it gets a lot of developer or other technical users.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by wilfra » Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 8:42 PM UTC

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #5

wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

In general Foundation is considered smaller and lighter than Bootstrap, many devs also prefer its use of SASS instead of LESS (which is the Bootstrap default css pre-processor). There is also a smaller community around Foundation, which is good and bad: there isn't the massive third party ecosystem that Bootstrap has [1] but on the flip side many feel that Foundation sites don't look so 'Bootstrappy'. I'm really inve…

Not looking bootstrappy sounds like a good reason to use it for some projects. Is there a 'stock foundation' looking site you can link to, I'm curious if I'd recognize it.