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Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#2
> For some reason start-ups are a magnet for people that suffer from depression.

I posit: it's hard to hold a steady job while suffering from untreated depression. (Or ADD. Or social anxiety. Or any number of other things.)

Between your (inevitably short) periods of employment, you tinker. Tinkering leads to projects, projects become startups, and--if you're good at what you do--before you know it, you're under a ton of stress.

I don't know what the solution is, but just telling people who have mental illnesses not to start start-ups isn't it. Frequently, a startup is their option of last resort--since the working world has already failed them.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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If I could upvote this a hundred times, I would.

I left a startup I co-founded after almost two years of engagement that was becoming increasingly half-hearted -- with symptoms of a mental health problem already showing and just in time to prevent the effects from being devastating. I did learn a lot, but in retrospect the decision to leave was good both for me and for the startup.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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Overall good advice, but I don't know if completely dissuading someone with a history of depression from founding a startup works. There's no reason you can't succeed, it's just that the risk of failure (or runaway success) can be dangerous without support.

The main point people miss when someone goes about with a startup idea is that most of the time, it's just you.

There's rarely a saftey net, often no co-founders, and sometimes not even anyone else to confide in. Well, not if you want to show weakness and still have any investors left. That's an awfully lonely and frightening place to be for someone who doesn't have a history of depression, so the condition will only compound the problem.

And a startup need not fail either for all of this turmoil to kick in. Often times, success has very similar consequences.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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I see it the other way around. Creating a start-up is supposed to be fun and exciting as well as challenging. Someone suffering from depression starting a start-up could be a great way to get over their depression by working on something their passionate about.

I suppose there are many sides to this debate but that's just how I see it.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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I see it the other way around. Creating a start-up is supposed to be fun and exciting as well as challenging. Someone suffering from depression starting a start-up could be a great way to get over their depression by working on something their passionate about.

I suppose there are many sides to this debate but that's just how I see it.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#7
I agree in principle, but for some of us working startups is just too much engrained in our fibres. I love it, but its hard work. We would do much better as a collective community work on removing the stigma of depression rather so people can work around it (if possible).

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#8
Perhaps a better way of phrasing this is: suffering from depression? Don't do that startup unless you have a safety net (of course, that could apply to people without depression too). Hell, I'd say that applies to doing a PhD (I'm in one right now) or anything that does mean you have to deal with a lot of ambiguity on your own. In those situations it's all too easy for even the most mentally secure person to start neglecting themselves in the service of the work (mentally, emotionally, psychologically, physically), potentially to disastrous effects.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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post #5

I see it the other way around. Creating a start-up is supposed to be fun and exciting as well as challenging. Someone suffering from depression starting a start-up could be a great way to get over their depression by working on something their passionate about. I suppose there are many sides to this debate but that's just how I see it.

Start-ups are only 'fun and exciting' the first 90 days (if you last that long) before your first major crisis will hit. If it isn't like that you are not trying hard enough.

Side projects can be fun and exciting as long as you stay the hell away from success. There are not 'many sides' to this debate, people prone to heart failure should not be trying to set world records, people that suffer from depression should not do start-ups. It's simply asking for trouble.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#10
> The statistics being what they are

What statistics? You occasionally read about startup employees or (co-)founders killing themselves, that's not a statistic. What's the rate compared to non-startup jobs? Suicide is a problem across the board.

If someone is suffering from depression but has even a weak desire to do a startup, I'm not so sure encouraging them to take that job at BigCo is really good advice. A lot of people found or work for startups or small companies simply because they can't stand the corporate dynamics at BigCo, whether it's not being responsible for enough things and feeling like you have no impact, or doing boring things day after day, or bad management and bosses, or something else--if you feel like you wouldn't like a corporate job and you're already depressed, getting that job at a stable company is just going to aggravate you further. The academic world isn't necessarily better; if the games you need to play as a funded researcher aren't to your taste, that too will aggravate you.

Maybe instead of saying "stay away from startups" I'd argue "stay away from startups with an explicit goal of getting big or really rich fast", or more simply "stay away from Extreme Startups". Perhaps encouraging a focus on lifestyle businesses is a better approach?

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