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XMPP and Jabber

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Re: XMPP and Jabber

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I never fully understood why everybody is using XMPP in walled gardens (e.g. Whatsapp, Facebook, Messages...). Do you think they get anything from that? Is any of those services monetized successfully?

Re: XMPP and Jabber

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I would like to point the fact that Microsoft is killing live messenger, so the article is kinda outdated on something :)

Also, I wonder what networks can access the original Jabber network beside G-Talk, anyone here has a clue on that?

I really like G-Talk, and I wish it could interoperate with other interesting IM software.

Re: XMPP and Jabber

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post #2

I never fully understood why everybody is using XMPP in walled gardens (e.g. Whatsapp, Facebook, Messages...). Do you think they get anything from that? Is any of those services monetized successfully?

Seemly Whatsapp is, and what they are doing is genius, I would pay even more for the service than what they are charging (99 cents year).

At first I did not understood, what it had in special, until I figured that it was the fact that it used your phone contact list, thus taking out the boring task of managing that, and making adding people to your list easy as finding someone phone number.

Yet, I would not use it as my primary messenger (neither Facebook), because of how they are tied to something in particular (phones, Facebook) and thus allow less flexibility in where or how I use them.

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What I've really wanted to figure out for awhile now is how XMPP might work as a replacement for email. Even as new IMAP or Gmail clients appear on the market seemingly every few months now, I can't shake the idea that it's time for a new protocol, alas an impossibly tall order. Yet XMPP seems like the closest thing to an existing, modern standard to build upon. Am I tilting at windmills, or is there any validity to this idea?

Re: XMPP and Jabber

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I vaguely remember one of the authors of XMPP invented an alternative protocol which is simpler, perhaps based on JSON, anyone remember?

Using XML these days seems too heavy weight.

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What I've really wanted to figure out for awhile now is how XMPP might work as a replacement for email. Even as new IMAP or Gmail clients appear on the market seemingly every few months now, I can't shake the idea that it's time for a new protocol, alas an impossibly tall order. Yet XMPP seems like the closest thing to an existing, modern standard to build upon. Am I tilting at windmills, or is there any validity to…

What, exactly, do you want to do with it, and how does it replace email?

(Genuinely curious - I see suggestions for replacing email on a regular basis, but rarely ones that are deeply thought out.)

Re: XMPP and Jabber

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post #2

I never fully understood why everybody is using XMPP in walled gardens (e.g. Whatsapp, Facebook, Messages...). Do you think they get anything from that? Is any of those services monetized successfully?

Seemly Whatsapp is, and what they are doing is genius, I would pay even more for the service than what they are charging (99 cents year). At first I did not understood, what it had in special, until I figured that it was the fact that it used your phone contact list, thus taking out the boring task of managing that, and making adding people to your list easy as finding someone phone number. Yet, I would not use it as…

Wow, I didn't know they charged 99 cents/year to Android users now. It wasn't like that in the past! iPhone monetization continues as a single payment. Do you think that this is enough to maintain the company? Many other companies should be perfectly capable to reproduce the contacts-promiscuity that Whatsapp is using. And they could even mix it with compatibility to other XMPP platforms...

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post #3

I would like to point the fact that Microsoft is killing live messenger, so the article is kinda outdated on something :) Also, I wonder what networks can access the original Jabber network beside G-Talk, anyone here has a clue on that? I really like G-Talk, and I wish it could interoperate with other interesting IM software.

Seriously though I could not even imagine my workday without GTalk.
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