Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#1

Post by lagerstedt » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 10:20 AM UTC

Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java
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Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#2

Post by speeder » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 10:53 AM UTC

Can anyone please tell me why Oracle is doing that? I don't get it, it seems to me that the amount of unhappy people would eclipse any penny they might earn with such cheap tactics, it is not like this would give them a 10% profit increase.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#3

Post by josephagoss » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:05 AM UTC

speeder wrote: post #2

Can anyone please tell me why Oracle is doing that? I don't get it, it seems to me that the amount of unhappy people would eclipse any penny they might earn with such cheap tactics, it is not like this would give them a 10% profit increase.

Oracle don't care about happy people, and a lack of happy people dealing with Oracle has not stopped their massive profits so why would they start now?

I think this is extra worse than normal bundling, because its a friggin platform! A basis for applications, it smells as bad as Microsoft asking to install a toolbar during the OS install.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#4

Post by arocks » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:16 AM UTC

I rarely install Java on a new machine because of their installer. It feels too maleware-ish to me. In fact, I would go out of my way to find a non-Java alternative for most software I need.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#5

Post by Surio » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:18 AM UTC

[Somewhat relevant, somewhat off-topic]

Commission collections and ethics aside, I actually cannot understand the venom towards Ask (its search results). I believe in keeping web searches open with multiple choices made available to users, so I actively support all viable alternatives (meaning I use Ask, Blekko, ddg, lycos, yahoo (bing) among others instead of Google for regular everyday searches). Ask search results are very much comparable to Google's, i.e., the search is not "inferior" as claimed.

As for ads, google's adsense ads are just as much in-your-face as the others (ymmv), so don't think this point is such a big thing either as claimed.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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Post by yo-mf » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:28 AM UTC

Surio wrote: post #5

[Somewhat relevant, somewhat off-topic] Commission collections and ethics aside, I actually cannot understand the venom towards Ask (its search results). I believe in keeping web searches open with multiple choices made available to users, so I actively support all viable alternatives (meaning I use Ask, Blekko, ddg, lycos, yahoo (bing) among others instead of Google for regular everyday searches). Ask search results…

I agree that the vitriol towards Ask is unwarranted, though I do find the inclusion in the Java install to be very much in the realm of crapware.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#7

Post by nodata » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:31 AM UTC

I already voted: I uninstalled Java from every Windows PC I have.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#8

Post by blibble » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:31 AM UTC

I can sure see Oracle responding to a petition on the Internet!

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#9

Post by WhaleBiologist » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:34 AM UTC

blibble wrote: post #8

I can sure see Oracle responding to a petition on the Internet!

Ah, internet petitions. The best way to feel good about doing absolutely nothing.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#10

Post by meaty » Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 11:42 AM UTC

You mean: stop bundling crapware with our crapware!

Note: I have no problem with Java on the server or client, just the applet and browser plugin model.