GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

I don't really get why so many Americans want RCS to succeed though. Do you guys not remember when carriers charged 10p/text? Why on earth would you want to give any power at all back to those people?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by kotaKat » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:07 PM UTC

"RCS isn't an open platform in practice. It isn't even as open as SMS/MMS. It heavily depends on proprietary Google and carrier infrastructure in practice. We can start by replicating Google's approach and then we can work on only using carrier services for carriers where it's actually supported."

Except... what carriers still remain using their own RCS carrier services and haven't been pressured by Google to adopt Jive?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by thinkp26 » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:07 PM UTC

I'm happy todays update shipped auto call recording.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by exceptione » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:07 PM UTC

  > RCS isn't an open platform in practice. It isn't even as open as SMS/MMS. It heavily depends on proprietary Google and carrier infrastructure in practice. We can start by replicating Google's approach and then we can work on only using carrier services for carriers where it's actually supported.

What is the point of RCS though? It seems to be strictly inferior to Signal. It seems a Google product meant to serve Google. I wouldn't hate it if GrapheneOS would totally ignore RCS. I fail to see any value in it, but maybe I am lacking information(?)

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by downrightmike » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:13 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #3

Very good idea! Google abandoned these long ago. I don't really get why so many Americans want RCS to succeed though. Do you guys not remember when carriers charged 10p/text? Why on earth would you want to give any power at all back to those people?

The only benefit is sending higher DPI pictures between android and ios

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:15 PM UTC

exceptione wrote: post #6

> RCS isn't an open platform in practice. It isn't even as open as SMS/MMS. It heavily depends on proprietary Google and carrier infrastructure in practice. We can start by replicating Google's approach and then we can work on only using carrier services for carriers where it's actually supported. What is the point of RCS though? It seems to be strictly inferior to Signal. It seems a Google product meant to serve Goo…

RCS allows higher resolution pictures than MMS.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by Dusseldorf » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:18 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #3

Very good idea! Google abandoned these long ago. I don't really get why so many Americans want RCS to succeed though. Do you guys not remember when carriers charged 10p/text? Why on earth would you want to give any power at all back to those people?

After getting several family group chats finally converted over to RCS, one day my phone just started absolutely refusing to verify my connection to the RCS servers. Instead of any kind of notification, I was just silently not sending or receiving messages for nearly an entire day. I had to disable RCS on my phone, which created a several day long issue where some chats would just fall back to SMS and others absolutely refused to work, or strange interactions with Apple devices where certain messages would not be displayed. After enough trouble with it I convinced everyone to switch to a third party messaging app. I'll never turn RCS on again, I can't trust that it won't just start silently failing.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by ebb_earl_co » Sun, Sep 06, 2026, 9:22 PM UTC

exceptione wrote: post #6

> RCS isn't an open platform in practice. It isn't even as open as SMS/MMS. It heavily depends on proprietary Google and carrier infrastructure in practice. We can start by replicating Google's approach and then we can work on only using carrier services for carriers where it's actually supported. What is the point of RCS though? It seems to be strictly inferior to Signal. It seems a Google product meant to serve Goo…

From [0], it seems that RCS can use the cellular signal instead of LTE or 5G:

> In cases where RCS is able to operate over cellular networks without data, it supports messaging as well as file transfer, enriched calling, and more.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services